The Gospel of Initial and Final Salvation

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1. What’s up?

   I found this article very interesting…please read!

   Do you remember the blockbuster hit film The Matrix that was released in 1999? You may not know this, but it has deep spiritual implications concerning the times we are living in and Bible prophecy.

   It tells a story of how these “agents” are trying to turn us into machines. We are closer then ever before for this to become a reality when they cause us to receive an implantable microchip in our body during a time when physical money will be no more.

   You may have seen on NBC news concerning the implantable RFID microchip that some people are getting put in their hand to make purchases, but did you know this microchip matches perfectly with prophecy in the Bible?

   “He (the false prophet who deceives many by his miracles) causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name…

   You also may have heard of the legendary number “666” that people have been speculating for possibly thousands of years on what it actually means. This article shares something I haven’t seen before, and I don’t think there could be any better explanation for what it means to calculate 666. This is no hoax. Very fascinating stuff!

   …Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666″ (Revelation 13:16-18 NKJV).

   To see all the details showing why the Bible foretold of all these things, check out this article!

   Article: https://biblewoke.com/rfid-mark-of-the-beast-666-revealed

   GOD is sending out His end time warning:

   “Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, ‘If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name'” (Revelation 14:9-11).

   In the Islamic religion they have man called the Mahdi who is known as their messiah of whom they are waiting to take the stage. There are many testimonies from people online who believe this man will be Barack Obama who is to be the biblical Antichrist based off dreams they have received. I myself have had strange dreams about him like no other person. So much so that I decided to share this information.

   He came on stage claiming to be a Christian with no affiliation to the Muslim faith…

   “In our lives, Michelle and I have been strengthened by our Christian faith. But there have been times where my faith has been questioned — by people who don’t know me — or they’ve said that I adhere to a different religion, as if that were somehow a bad thing,” – Barack Obama

   …but was later revealed by his own family members that he indeed is a devout Muslim.

   So what’s in the name? The meaning of someones name can say a lot about a person. God throughout history has given names to people that have a specific meaning tied to their lives. How about the name Barack Obama? Let us take a look at what may be hiding beneath the surface…

   “And He (Jesus) said to them (His disciples), ‘I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven'” (Luke 10:18).

   In the Hebrew language we can uncover the meaning behind the name Barack Obama.

   Barack, also transliterated as Baraq, in Hebrew is: lightning

   baraq – Biblical definition:

   From Strongs H1299; lightning; by analogy a gleam; concretely a flashing sword: – bright, glitter (-ing, sword), lightning. (Strongs Hebrew word H1300 baraq baw-rawk’)

   Barak ‘O’bamah, The use of bamah is used to refer to the “heights” of Heaven.

   bamah – Biblical definition:

   From an unused root (meaning to be high); an elevation: – height, high place, wave. (Strongs Hebrew word H1116 bamah baw-maw’)

   The day following the election of Barack Obama (11/04/08), the winning pick 3 lotto numbers in Illinois (Obama’s home state) for 11/5/08 were 666.

   Obama was a U.S. senator for Illinois, and his zip code was 60606.

   Seek Jesus while He may be found…repent, confess and forsake your sins and trust in the savior! Jesus says we must be born again by His Holy Spirit to enter the kingdom of God…God bless!

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2. My name is Alan Finch. In April of 1976, I submitted my life to the Lordship of Jesus Christ.

   Probably the greatest deception from the Spirit of darkness, is the belief by most Believers in Christ, that ALL Believers in Christ will rule & reign with Jesus.

   In the 25th Chapter of Matthew JESUS gives us a parable about 10 virgins that greatly helps us to understand more clearly that not ALL Believers in Christ will rule & reign with Him.

   The Scriptures paint a picture for us of Christ being the Bridegroom of His Church which is made up of Believers in Christ portrayed as virgins.

   There are a number of truths to be uncovered in this parable. I will attempt to explain the main point of this parable that JESUS wants Believers in Christ to come to an understanding of.

   These 10 virgins in this parable were “engaged” to Christ, the Bridegroom. Only virgins which in this parable are representative of Believers in Christ, are “engaged” to Christ.

   At the end of this present Age, JESUS will return to marry in the Spirit, His Bride, which is representative of His Church, which is made up of Believers in Christ. The “engagement period” for ALL Believers in Christ, from ALL Ages, will finally have come to an end.

   In this parable, 5 of the virgins that were “engaged” to Christ were faithfully prepared for His return, because not only did they know JESUS as their Saviour, but they knew JESUS as their Lord, because they had submitted themselves to His Lordship.

   The other 5 virgins who were also “engaged” to Christ, were not faithfully prepared for the Lord’s return, because they only knew JESUS as their Saviour. They did not know JESUS as their Lord, because they never submitted themselves to His Lordship.

   So, the underlying message of this parable is: JESUS wants Believers in Christ to come to the understanding that being “engaged” to Him does not guarantee our becoming married to Him in the Spirit at the end of this present Age.

   It will only be the faithful “engaged” Believers in Christ who have prepared themselves for His return by their submission to His Lordship that will be married to JESUS in the Spirit at the end of this present Age. These will be the Believers in Christ who will rule & reign with Him.

   The bottom line is that in this parable JESUS is declaring that the door WILL BE SHUT to Believers in Christ who do not come under His Lordship, which will result in them not being allowed to enter into the Kingdom of God in the next Age to rule & reign with Him. The DOOR WILL BE SHUT to these Believers in Christ.

   In Matthew 7:23 JESUS will tell many Believers in Christ to depart from Him, because He never knew them. Even though theses Believers in Christ on that day, which refers to the day of the Great White Throne Judgment, will stand before Him and say Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name, and your name cast out devils, and in your name done many miracles?

   Because these Believers in Christ did indeed prophesy in His name, and did indeed cast out devils in His name, and did indeed to many miracles in His name, they will be shocked to here JESUS say to them, “depart from me, I never knew you.”

   In other words, JESUS is declaring to them, because they indeed know JESUS as their Saviour, and did indeed do all these wonderful things in His name, and did call Him, Lord, Lord, they never actually came under His Lordship. This is the reason why that JESUS will painfully declare to them, “depart from me, I never knew you.”

   In other words, these Believers in Christ were indeed servants of JESUS. However, JESUS is declaring to them that He never knew them as one of His servants who came under His Lordship, and this is why that JESUS declares them that they will stand before Him on that day, which refers to the day of the Great White Throne Judgment.

   In May of 2014, the Lord put a heavy burden in my Spirit to write a document which I titled “What is the GOOD NEWS of Gospel of Christ?”

   In the document I Biblically expound upon: (1) is there really going to be eternal torment in a physical Lake of Fire” (2) is there really going to be eternal annihilation? (3) to give a Biblical answer to the question: if there is not eternal torment in a physical Lake of Fire, and if there is no eternal damnation of our very being, then what are we being saved from, and what is our purpose for being here during this present time really all about?

   When I first started writing my document, it was 12 pages in length. It now is 30 pages in length, because the Lord then put a great burden in my Spirit to Biblically expound upon the fact that there will be many Believers in Christ who will not rule & reign with JESUS.

   I Biblically expound upon this issue quite extensively in my document.

   If anyone would like a copy of my 30 page document, email me at:
   (ca*********@ao*.com) and I will email you a copy.

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   1. Hello Alan – sorry for the delay in responding, but it has been hectic here.

      Just wondering whether you have viewed my video teaching on the Wise and Foolish Virgins.

      Check it out here and let me know what you think.

      Blessings, Alan

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8_1pNNRxhk&t=1s

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   1. Dear Brook,

      Thank you so much for your kind comment. It is nice to receive the occasional encouraging comment that contrast among comments from ‘religious’ people who aren’t prepared to examine the facts being presented here. Blessings!

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4. Alan,

   Although I agree with some of your overarching premises (e.g. “Communism [has] infiltrated [many] Churches”; “Communism’s leavening of today’s churches is that they have become more like entertainment venues than places where God’s people gather”; and that the dead go straight to heaven), I believe you may be guilty of hypocrisy.

   I say this in light of a response you made to a comment about a post on your blog “My Gospel Blog”. In your response you stated “if any Christian prefers to cherry-pick what the Bible says by omitting certain statements that disagree with their view of what the Bible says, then such Christians are not being honest in their beliefs.” It seems that is exactly what you do throughout your blog.

   In his article “The Two Phases of Sancitification” Elder Michael Gowens provides a good explanation of Biblical interpretation. Using sanctification as an example, Elder Gowens states;

   “Like every Bible subject, the doctrine of sanctification must be “rightly divided” (2 Tim. 2:15). References to this theme, in other words, must be interpreted according to the analogy of faith—the most basic rule of Biblical interpretation—lest Scripture appear to contradict itself.
   This practice of comparing Scripture with Scripture and of synthesizing the parts to make a systematic and unified whole arises from the presupposition that Scripture presents a logically consistent message. The Bible’s Author, the eternal Logos , is not capable of self-contradiction (2 Tim. 2:13b).

   Apparent contradictions between two Biblical references, therefore, must be attributed to the interpreter’s lack of understanding, instead of any possibility of antithesis in the nature of God. The challenge facing the interpreter of Scripture is to explain apparently contradictory passages so that coherence and consistency is achieved. The Bible student who dismisses the discipline of “rightly dividing” God’s word, opting instead for the practice of inserting the popular definition of a term whenever it occurs, will necessarily find himself embracing diametrically opposite principles as equally true.”

   The solution to this dilemma is to recognize that Scripture presents its doctrines as truths with more than one phase.” https://sovgrace.net/2020/03/28/the-two-phases-of-sancitification/

   Keeping in mind that the Bible must be interpreted as a whole and cannot contradict itself on any point and if I understand your May 8, 2019, blog post “Initial and Final Salvation” to presuppose the idea that eternal salvation comes by “works”, then it seems your blog post falls victim to “cherry picking”. Scripture clearly states that works have nothing to do with eternal salvation. Works are a fruit (Gal 5:22) love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance) of the Spirit working within the child of God. Without the Spirit working within us we can do nothing good (Rom 3:10-12 “As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: (11) There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. (12) They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.”

   If “Initial and Final Salvation” is true as you say, how do you resolve your idea with Romans 8:28-39?

   “(28) And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. (29) For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. (30) Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. (31) What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? (32) He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? (33) Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth. (34) Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. (35) Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? (36) As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. (37) Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. (38) For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, (39) Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

   Or Romans 9:11 “(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)”

   Or Romans 9:22-26

   “(22) What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: (23) And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, (24) Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? (25) As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. (26) And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.”

   Or John 6:37 “All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.”

   Or 2Timothy 1:9-10 “Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, (10) But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel [Jesus Christ]:”

   If we are to be workers approved unto God we must “rightly divide the word of truth” (2 Tim2:15). Using Scripture to interpret Scripture instead of man’s ideas God’s children can understand God’s plan for eternal salvation. A detailed study of the words “elect, chosen, saved, and accepted will result in at least 268 Scripture uses that clearly show “works’ have nothing to do with the eternal salvation of God’s children. In-fact it will show there is nothing man can or has to do with eternal salvation. Eternal salvation is up to God and God alone, promise before the world began (Titus 1:1-2 “Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness; (2) In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;”).

   Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord

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   1. Hello Tim – and thanks for your contribution to this subject. Please bear with me while I attempt to address the various points you make.

      Before I start, let me say this.

      Where you say,

      “Although I agree with some of your overarching premises (e.g. “Communism [has] infiltrated [many] Churches…” you then say, “I believe you may be guilty of hypocrisy”

      You say this without providing any direct evidence to support your claim regarding my “cherry-picking of the Bible”.

      If anyone is to make an allegation against another person of committing a ‘transgression’ – the claim MUST produce supporting evidence, otherwise the claim is fallacious and mischievous. It is on this basis that I reject your claim that I am “…guilty of hypocrisy” because you have failed to produce any evidence for me to examine.

      Now to your claims.

      You then refer me to statements by “Elder Michael Gowens” that refers to the Bible topic of Sanctification. Can I ask you – do you place the words of Michael L Gowens above the words of Jesus Christ and other words contained in the scriptures, Tim? It appears that you do! If so, is Michael L Gowens your Messiah?

      My point here is that my blog has nothing at all to do with the topic of Sanctification. My blog’s sole purpose is to alert Christians about the gospel they believe and to have them question whether it is the Apostle Paul’s Gospel that he termed ‘My Gospel’ or whether they have believed the Communist inspired (false) gospel termed Once Saved, Always Saved! This is the sole purpose of my blog, Tim!

      Recently I interacted with a woman from a Seventh Day Adventist (SDA) church. She refused to discuss anything with me unless it was to do with Sabbath Day (Saturday) keeping. From this and other discussions I have had with ‘religious’ people over many years, I have discovered that such people have their pet topics that they study amongst themselves – but when someone like me directs them away from their pet topics with my claims, they immediately feel uncomfortable and want to change the subject matter back to their pet topic. This is exactly what you have done here with your topic of Sanctification, Tim.

      Why not read through your Comment to me again, and take note that there is not one reference from you to anything in my post regarding Initial and Final Salvation. It is all about your pet topic of Sanctification – a topic that I really have no intention on debating you about.

      However, as an example of your false claims (which you hypocritically accuse me of) you said this:

      “Scripture clearly states that works have nothing to do with eternal salvation. Works are a fruit (Gal 5:22) love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance) of the Spirit working within the child of God.”

      If we look at Gal 5:22 it says this:

      “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,”

      The reality of what this scripture verse means is this.

      If you have a jar of mixed fruit placed in it, others can determine from the outside what type of fruit it contains by looking inside the jar through the glass.

      The scripture verse you referred to presents the same situation from the spiritual perspective with Christians and the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit within them or not.

      In other words, if the Holy Spirit really does dwell within a Christian, this means when others come into their presence, they should be able to “taste” ALL of the the NINE spiritual “fruits” of “…love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith 23 Meekness, temperance…” that identify with the Holy Spirit (Luke 11:13).

      Therefore, where you claim that “Works are a fruit…” the scripture verse you referenced proves your claim to be false! There is NOTHING in Gal 5:22 that says the word “work” or “works”. It is just your re-interpretation of the scriptures to mean what you want them to mean. Therefore, it is on this basis that I reject this claim.

      You then ask me “…how do you resolve your idea with Romans 8:28-39”.
      Again, this is all centered around your pet topic of ‘Predestination’ that I will not be drawn into. However, I will make this comment.

      In verse 29 it says,

      “For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE OF HIS SON, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.”

      This verse is EXACTLY what the Apostle Paul’s doctrine of Initial and Final Salvation is all about. Final Salvation requires every Christian to become just like Jesus was in faith, works and fruit unto God! If anyone believes otherwise, they are in denial of Christ and His words and the Apostle Paul’s Gospel – the ONLY Gospel that Saves people from Hell!

      In James 2:26, it states that

      “For as the body without the spirit is dead, so FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD ALSO.”

      When Jesus Christ came to the Earth in human form, He said:

      “… for THE WORKS which the Father hath given me to finish, THE SAME WORKS THAT I DO, [these] bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.” John 5:36

      The point here is that the miracles Christ performed demonstrated that He was no mere man. They proved He was God – as people clearly recognized back then as stated in John 7:31.

      A few verses earlier, Jesus gave a commandment to His disciples:

      “LET YOUR LIGHT SO SHINE BEFORE MEN, THAT THEY MAY SEE YOUR GOOD WORKS, and [by these “works” you will] glorify your Father which is in heaven [just as I have glorified Him]. Matthew 5:16

      If we say we love Jesus but yet reject His commandments because we live in unbelief, will He accept us into His kingdom? Christ clearly says that He will not:

      “He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not [ALL of] my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, THE SAME [words the he rejected] SHALL JUDGE HIM IN THE LAST DAY.” (John 12:48)

      My point here is this.

      God the Father sent His Son Jesus Christ to redeem fallen mankind from their sins. While on Earth, Jesus Christ demonstrated that He was the Son of God by the “works” He performed. Those who believed on Him did so because of the “works” of healing and miracles that He did.

      Similarly, if converts to Christianity that come to Christ by understanding the “mystery” that accompanies the Apostle Paul’s Gospel, these can expect to become the “sons of God” (Rom 8:14). If a “son of God” then each MUST be able to do the same “works” that Christ performed to demonstrate that they are truly the “sons of the Living God”:

      “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the SONS OF GOD.” (Romans 8:14)

      ”That ye may be blameless and harmless, THE SONS OF GOD, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as LIGHTS IN THE WORLD;” (Philippians 2:15)

      “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and GREATER WORKS THAN THESE SHALL HE DO; because I go unto my Father.” (John 14:12)

      The purpose for the “sons of God” who have been “begotten unto God through the Apostle Paul’s Gospel” (1 Cor 4:15) is that through their “good works” that Christ also performed (John 14:12) they are then able to produce the required “spiritual fruit” unto God that He requires to see produced upon each “…branch grafted into Jesus – the Vine”:

      “I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 EVERY BRANCH IN ME THAT BEARETH NOT FRUIT, HE TAKETH AWAY: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.” (John 15:1-8)

      If Christians prefer to reject these Biblical FACTS that are plainly written in the scripture verses above by preferring to believe their religion’s false gospel message, then that’s their choice.

      However, AFTER the Rapture has happened and Christ has…

      “…shut to the door [of Heaven — Rev 4:1], and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door [in prayer], saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I KNOW YOU NOT WHENCE YE ARE:
      26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk [Communion] in thy presence, and thou hast taught [Bible studies] in our streets.
      27 But he [Christ] shall say, I TELL YOU, I KNOW YOU NOT WHENCE YE ARE; DEPART FROM ME, ALL YE WORKERS OF INIQUITY (or “workers of rebellion against the truths of the scriptures].
      28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, AND YOU YOURSELVES THRUST OUT.” (Luke 13:25-28)

      In summary, certain of the scriptures you referenced represent promises that God makes to His new-born “sons of God” (John 3:3-8) to give them hope. These promises are NOT to those who rebel against God who cherry-pick the Bible’s words to make up their own religion’s set of beliefs! This is what Christ meant when He referred to such Christians as “…ALL YE WORKERS OF INIQUITY“.

      The remaining scripture verses relate to Initial Salvation that require FAITH ONLY and NO WORKS that associate with belief and faith only in God and through confession of that with one’s mouth (Rom 10:9-10) together with Water Baptism (Mark 16:16).

      If you reject the need for Final Salvation to be achieved in the Christian’s life, then you are rejecting Christ’s words below:

      “To him that overcometh [Satan’s temptations to embrace ‘religion’ rather than Bible truths] will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame [Satan’s temptations], and am set down with my Father in his throne.” (Rev 3:21)

      In relation to Paul’s Gospel – this is what the Apostle Peter said in respect of it and how Christians wrestle against it to their own destruction:

      “And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is SALVATION; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are UNLEARNED and UNSTABLE wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, UNTO THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION. 17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.” (2 Peter 3:15-17)

      I hope that this response answers your questions, Tim.

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      1. “ However, AFTER the Rapture has happened and Christ has…

         “…shut to the door [of Heaven — Rev 4:1]”

         There is NO RAPTURE inRev. 4:1. The church is still warned in Rev. 16:15 the exact same way it is warned in Rev. chapter 3. Keep your pre-tribulation fable to yourself. The great tribulation began in Acts 8:1 and is not yet finished. Nowhere in the Bible is spoken of a 7 years tribulation period, there is NO GAP in Daniel 9. “Rightly dividing the word of truth” doesn’t mean to cut the Bible into two parts and give one part to a group of people and the other part to another, as this is to take away from God’s word as warned in Rev. 22.

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         1. Hello Yosu – and thank you for your comments.

            Firstly, there are many Christians who refuse to accept that there is a ‘Rapture’ of the Body of Christ from the Earth, which forms one of the Five Stages of the First Resurrection. Below are listed the these Stages that are identified in scripture that form part of the First Resurrection:

            The FIVE Stages of the First Resurrection

            There are FIVE specific events associated with the First Resurrection that need to take place before it is completed. These events are listed below, remembering that at each resurrection of people into a glorified, resurrected eternal body, that scripture states that each group also ascends into Heaven:

            1. Jesus Christ –“the Firstfruit of the Resurrections”:

            “But every man in his own order: CHRIST THE FIRSTFRUITS; AFTERWARD they that are Christ’s at his coming[in the clouds at the Rapture and following – prior to His Second Coming].” (1 Cor 15:23)

            • Resurrection: “But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become THE FIRSTFRUITS of them that slept.” (1 Cor 15:20)
            • Ascension: “And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he [Christ] was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.” (Acts 1:9)

            2. The Old Testament Saints — representing “The Main Harvest” of the Jewish Old Testament saints from “…the righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias” (Matt 23:35) unto God:

            • Resurrection: “And THE GRAVES WERE OPENED; and MANY BODIES OF THE [Jewish] saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his [Christ’s] resurrection, and went into the holy city [Jerusalem], and appeared unto many.” (Matt 27:52-53)
            • Ascension: There is no record of any ascension. It has to be assumed on the basis that this ascension occurred as other ascensions followed a resurrection.

            3. The New Testament Saints — representing “The Ingathering of The Church”unto God:

            “For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.[from rising from the dead to meet the Lord in the air before us who are alive and remain on Earth]”

            • Resurrection: “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven [to the area of the clouds above the Earth] with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God:
            • Ascension: “…and the dead in Christ shall rise [from their graves] first:
              17 Then we which are alive and remain [on Earth] shall be caught up [or Raptured] together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.” (1 Thes 4:15-18)

            4. The 144,000 Jewish Manchild — representing the “Gleanings” of Israel’s harvest

            • Ascension: “And she [the Nation of Israel] brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up [or ‘Raptured’] unto God, and to his throne.” (Rev 12:5)
            • There is no recorded ‘Resurrection’ in scripture of these Jewish men, as none of these have been required to die prior to their Ascension.

            5. The Two Witnesses of Revelation

            “And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth[or EXACTLY THREE AND A HALF JEWISH YEARS].” (Rev 11:3)

            Resurrection: “And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and THEY STOOD UPON THEIR FEET; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

            Ascension: “12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And THEY ASCENDED UP TO HEAVEN IN A CLOUD; and their enemies beheld them.” (Rev 11:11-12)

            Question Yosu – if there is “no RAPTURE” as you claim, where do you place the statements of 1 Thes 4:15-18 in your set of beliefs regarding a resurrection from the dead and an ascension into Heaven?

            Next, you make the following claims:

            “There is NO RAPTURE in Rev. 4:1. The church is still warned in Rev. 16:15 the exact same way it is warned in Rev. chapter 3.”

            My Comments

            “The Church” (that represents the spiritual Body of Christ that has faithfully served Christ over the past two millennia) is raptured to Heaven, as stated in 1 Thes 4:15-18. After this, there is an angel that flies around the Earth preaching the “Everlasting Gospel” to the Earth’s inhabitants to try to have them accept Christ as their Savior and prevent them from taking the Mark of the Beast.

            “And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.” (Rev 14:5-7 )

            Prior to the Second Coming of Christ to the Earth, this is when the verse of Rev 16:15 is pronounced by Christ to those who have converted their faith to Christ from the Everlasting Gospel message by the angel:

            “Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments [of Salvation – Isaiah 61:10], lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.”

            In this, God gives everyone on Earth during the Great Tribulation the freedom to believe whatever they want to believe Yosu. But to presume that the church in the world today goes through the Great Tribulation period with other ‘infidels’ mocks the reason why God removed Noah and Lot (together with their family members) from God’s judgment prior to Him bringing destruction upon the inhabitants of the Earth in their days.

            Similarly, Jesus warned us that:

            “But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” (Matt 24:37)

            “Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.” (Luke 17:28-29)

            In the Book of Genesis chapter 19, Abraham asked the Lord whether He would spare the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah if there was 50 righteous people in the cities. The Lord said He would spare the cities if there were that many men. However, we find that when the number of ‘righteous men’ dwindled to one man (i.e. Lot) the Lord removed Lot and His family from Sodom prior to sending fire and brimstone upon the cities until there was only dust and ashes remaining (2 Peter 2:6).

            The key point here is the question Abraham asked the Lord and the answer that He gave that is so important in this matter is this:

            “Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein? 25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? 26 And the Lord said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.” (Gen 18:24-26)

            My point here is that if the Lord removed Noah and Lot out of harm’s way before bringing His judgment upon the Earth’s inhabitants in the past, these acts of mercy upon His faithful servants will be similarly reflected upon His faithful servants today in the not too distant future – as recorded in 1 Thes 4:15-18. I invite you to prove to me where the Lord has said that He will NOT remove the Body of Christ (1 Cor 12:27) from the earth prior to commencing His 21 judgments upon the inhabitants of the Earth.

            Comment regarding Acts 8:1

            This scripture verse refers to the persecution of the early church that existed prior to Saul’s conversion on the road to Damascus as recorded in Acts 9:1-43. To make your unsubstantiated claim that “The great tribulation began in Acts 8:1 and is not yet finished” cannot be justified using scripture. It is only your opinion, Yosu.

            If you are so convinced that this is the case, then please present more evidence than your unsubstantiated claims, Yosu.

            Finally you say:

            “Nowhere in the Bible is spoken of a 7 years tribulation period, there is NO GAP in Daniel 9.”

            The Book of Daniel is VERY CLEAR that there are 490 years in which God takes to restore Israel unto Him in ‘righteousness’ and removes their rebellion towards Him and His Son Jesus Christ:

            “SEVENTY WEEKS are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.” (Daniel 9:24)

            “Seventy weeks” equals 70 x 7 = 490 years.

            [Right click to view immage]

            This final “week of years” is going to be the most horrendous ever witnessed on the Earth. Billions of people are expected to die between now and then – both from the hands of Antichrist and his people, together with the 21 judgment from God upon the wicked inhabitants of the Earth:

            “Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness? 7 Alas! FOR THAT DAY IS GREAT, so that none is like it: it is even THE TIME OF JACOB’S TROUBLE [referring to the nation of Israel], but he shall be saved out of it.” (Jer 30:6-8)

            “But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 FOR THEN SHALL BE GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.” (Matt 24:20-22)

            “The time of Jacob’s trouble…” refers to the Great Tribulation period of seven years that are the balance of the 490 – 483 years shown in the chart above. If you disagree Yosu, then please explain where I am wrong by addressing the scripture verses used above please.

            Thank you.

            Reply

            1. Hi Alan Manson,

               Evidences that the great tribulation began in Acts 8:1,
               after the stoning of Stephen (Acts 8:1, 11:19)

               “And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great (G3173) persecution (G1375) against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles.” (Acts 8:1)

               “Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution (G2347) that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.” (Acts 11:19)

               In Acts 8:1 it is written that a great (G3173) persecution (G1375) began immediately after the stoning of Stephen. Here the Greek word diōgmos (G1375) is used. But later in Acts 11:19, regarding the exact same persecution, the Greek word thlipsis (G2347) is used instead. Both Greek words means “persecution” or “tribulation”, but what is important to note is that the Greek word thlipsis (G2347) used in Acts 11:19 is the exact same Greek word used in Matthew 24:21, where Jesus spoke about the great tribulation:

               “For then shall be great (G3173) tribulation (G2347), such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.” (Mat 24:21)

               So the “great persecution” of Acts 8:1 is the “persecution” (= tribulation) of Acts 11:19, which according to the Greek words used, is the same as the “great tribulation” Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24:21.

               There is no room for argument here. The church has been in the great Tribulation since the first century, and history proves that the great tribulation was already very intense since that time. So many Christians were crucified that there were no more trees available. Other were covered with wax and burned alive, fed to lions, etc.. I cannot imagine something worse than what these first Christians have suffered, to be qualified as “great tribulation”. Today there are still many places in the wotld where Christians are persecuted, but only where true Christians are spreading the true gospel. That’s is easy to understand: the Devil doesn’t need to persecute false Christians that spread false gospels and lies, like the prosperity gospel (tithe and you will become rich), the OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved) also called “eternal security” lie (license to sin), the pre-tribulation rapture fable (free air ticket to heaven), etc. Nor does the Devil need to persecute people in his dens of thieves where – for money – wolves in sheep garments satisfy people that like to hear fables and entertain those who are addicted to demonic rock music.

            2. Hello Yosua,

               In my earlier response to your comments that rejected the Pre-Tribulation rapture, I made an effort to describe to you how there are FIVE RESURRECTIONS and FIVE RAPTURES associated with the First Resurrection. In these FIVE was the forthcoming ‘Rapture of the Church’ that you completely reject.

               If you cannot accept what scripture has plainly stated about these five events (both past and future), then there is no point in me trying to debate the matter any further with you about this – and about the Tribulation period you refer to, because you have your religious ‘blinkers on’ that demonstrate a complete disregard for what scripture plainly states.

               In regards to your comments about “Tribulation” and how Christians have been involved in this – let me say this based upon Christ’s own words that say:

               “These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world YE SHALL HAVE TRIBULATION: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.” (John 16:33)

               Therefore, it all comes down to what Jesus meant when He spoke of “personal tribulation” in the words above and not ‘world tribulation’ that you are referring to. I’ll briefly explain to you how I have experienced ‘personal tribulation’.

               1. When I gave my life to Jesus 30-years ago, all Hell broke loose and turned my happy and contented world upside down.
               2. My wife of 20 years walked out of my life without explanation and took our two children with her – none of them ever to be seen of again.
               3. She put her lawyers on me and effectively stole my children and my all of our money from me – leaving me penniless. She claimed to a Christian all along. All of this was meant to make Christ’s words real to me, as He stated in Matt 10:36
               4. Some 3 years later I married a woman whom I thought the Lord would support me in ministry, but she turned out to be an agent of Satan. She stole my house and everything in it – again fulfilling Christ’s words of Matt 10:36.
               5. Despite Christ restoring to me the years that the locust, the caterpillar, the palmerworm and the cankerworm had eaten away (Joel 2:25) – meaning, Christ’s own army that He sent to me to destroy those things that I depended upon instead of Him – I still received rejection from ‘brethren’ in the many churches I attended because of their preferences for ‘religion’ rather than following the words of Christ – John 15:20.

               “Blessed are ye, when [Christian] men shall HATE YOU, and when they shall SEPARATE YOU FROM THEIR COMPANY, and shall REPROACH YOU, and CAST OUT YOUR NAME AS EVIL, for the Son of man’s sake. 23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.” (Luke 16:22-23)

               My point here is that my faith that I share on this blog is based upon practical experiences obtained by applying Christ’s words to my life. Such instruction can only come about through experiencing personal tribulation in one’s own life while following “…that Great Shepherd of the Sheep” to where He wants to lead you – IF you are willing to go their by “…enduring personal tribulation” along the way (Heb 13:20-21)

               In contrast to such a spiritual journey with Christ, there are others who have commented on this blog who have a very narrow understanding of what the Bible teaches because they prefer to maintain what their Bible teachers have taught them – rather than what God the Father wants to personally teach each and every Christian as He has done with me (John 6:45).

               If Christians today followed Christ and NOT their preferred Bible teachers, then we ALL might:

               “…SPEAK THE SAME THING, and that there be NO DIVISIONS AMONG YOU; but that ye be PERFECTLY JOINED TOGETHER in the SAME MIND and in the SAME JUDGMENT.” (1 Cor 1:10)

               Thank you Yosua. I’ll add a few brief comments to your other posts.

               Blessings, Alan

            3. Allan,

               Here is the proof that the church is still here AFTER Revelation 4:1

               To the CHURCH of Sardis: “…If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee AS A THIEF, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.” (Rev 3:3)

               To the CHURCH of Laodicea: “…I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear… (Rev 3:18)

               These verses are warning for the CHURCH.

               Now we have another “thief in the night” and “garnment / nakedness” warning verse:

               “Behold, I COME LIKE A THIEF. Blessed is he that watcheth, and KEEPETH HIS GARMENTS, LEST HE WALK NAKED, and they see his shame.” (Rev 16:15)

               IT’S IN CHAPTER 16 ! AFTER THE SIXTH VIAL!

               If the church is still warned in the 16th chapter of Revelation with the exact same words it is warned in Revelation 3:3 and 3:18, that means that the church is STILL HERE after the 6th vial of Rev. 16:15!

               Most of the pretribulationists say that “Come up hither” in Rev 4:1 is a sign of the rapture. But these same “Come hither” words appear again in Revelation 17:1:

               “Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters.” (Rev 17:1)

               If “Come up hither” means a rapture, then which one it is: “Come up hither” of Rev 4:1 or of Rev 17:1? Multiple raptures?

               A rapture in the words “Come up hither” doesn’t make any sense!

            4. Yosua,

               In my earlier post, I went to great lengths USING APPROPRIATE SCRIPTURE VERSES to explain to you that God does NOT judge the righteous with the wicked. You have again rejected the plain words of scripture that prove what I claim is correct – instead choosing to twist other verses of scripture out of context to make your own beliefs appear plausible.

               Below is what I said previously that you still reject – to your own peril:

               “In the Book of Genesis chapter 19, Abraham asked the Lord whether He would spare the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah if there was 50 righteous people in the cities. The Lord said He would spare the cities if there were that many men. However, we find that when the number of ‘righteous men’ dwindled to one man (i.e. Lot) the Lord removed Lot and His family from Sodom prior to sending fire and brimstone upon the cities until there was only dust and ashes remaining (2 Peter 2:6).

               The key point here is the question Abraham asked the Lord and the answer that He gave that is so important in this matter is this:

               “Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein? 25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? 26 And the Lord said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.” (Gen 18:24-26)

               My point here is that if the Lord removed both Noah and Lot out of harm’s way before bringing His judgment upon the Earth’s inhabitants in the past, these acts of mercy upon His faithful servants will be similarly reflected upon His faithful servants today in the not too distant future – as recorded in 1 Thes 4:15-18. I invite you to prove to me where the Lord has said that He will NOT remove the Body of Christ (1 Cor 12:27) from the earth prior to commencing His 21 judgments upon the inhabitants of the Earth.”

               As you have failed to take up my challenge to “…prove to me where the Lord has said that He will NOT remove the Body of Christ (1 Cor 12:27) from the earth prior to commencing His 21 judgments upon the inhabitants of the Earth” – I have nothing further to say about this matter.

            5. Alan,

               A Pre-tribulation rapture is IMPOSSIBLE according to these verses:

               “For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord SHALL NOT PREVENT them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and The DEAD IN CHRIST SHALL RISE FIRST: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.” (1 Tes 4:15-17)

               It is clear in 1 Tes 4:15-17 that the deads are risen FIRST, and only AFTER that those alive and remaining are caught up together with them in the clouds.
               Now it is written in the book of Revelation:

               “And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.” (Rev. 20:4-6)

               Here were see that those that have part at the FIRST resurrection are those that ALREADY were beheaded for refusing to worship the beast, his image and refused to take the mark of the beast.

               Now if the word “FIRST” means what he means according to his definition, that “first” means “first” with NO OTHER BEFORE, and if what happen FIRST is the FIRST resurrection that according to Revelation 20 already include those who went through through the tribulation, and if according to 1 Tes 4:15:17 those who are still alive are caught up ONLY AFTER the dead are resurrected, then a pre-tribulation rapture is IMPOSSIBLE.

               But now the problem whith those who preach and believe in the pre-tribulation rapture fable is that these people distort the meaning of word like “FIRST” such as in “first resurrection”, “LAST” such as in “last trump”, etc, and ADD to scripture up to 5 resurrections, and TAKE AWAY from scripture entire books saying “this is not for the church, it’s for the Jews”, with the excuse of “rightly dividing” from a verse that they distort.

               INSTEAD OF BUILDING THEIR BELIEF ON WHAT THE SCRIPTURE SAYS, PRE-TRIBULATIONISTS DISTORT THE SCRIPTURES AND THE MEANING OF THEIR WORDS TO MAKE THEM ACCORDING TO THEIR FABLE!

            6. Yosua,

               I refer to my previous points about your comments on this topic. I am not wasting any more of my time when you fail to address the points I have raised previously.

            7. Hi alan,

               About Daniel 70 weeks, please read the excellent booklet available here:

               Vhttp://www.ralphwoodrow.org/assets/books/PDF/Daniel_70th_week_booklet.pdf

               Thank you

            8. Yosua – I had a quick glance at what Ralph Woodrow wrote, but it is nonesense. It is a distortion of what scripture plainly states.

               As an example, Woodrow says this on page 5:

               ““Now the whole period of our Savior’s teaching and working of miracles is said to have been three and a half years, which is half aweek. John the evangelist, in his Gospel makes this clear to the attentive.”11Eusebius’ mention of “half a week” clearly refers to Daniel’s 70th week prophecy. His mention of the Gospel of John refers to the four Passovers during the ministry of Jesus (John 2:13, 5:1; 6:4. 13: 1).**John 5:1 does not mention the feast by name, but taking John 4:35 about the “four months” into consideration, it is possible to determine this was the Feast of the Passover.After a ministry of three and a half years as the Christ—the anointed one—Jesus was cut off in death, in the middle of the 70th week of seven years. As Augustine said: “Daniel even defined the timewhen Christ was to come and suffer by the exact date.”

               Notice here how Woodrow quotes words of men such as “Eusebius” and “Augustine” – mean who lived some 1,500 or more years ago.

               You can choose the words from whom you want to follow – meaning Woodrow, Eusebius or Augustine, but as for me and my household, we will follow the Lord – Num 32:12 and Deut 1:36

            9. Hello Alan,

               – “In my earlier response to your comments that rejected the Pre-Tribulation rapture, I made an effort to describe to you how there are FIVE RESURRECTIONS and FIVE RAPTURES associated with the First Resurrection.”

               Five resurrections and five raptures? Why not 50?

               Revelation 20 clearly says that there ONE FIRST resurrection for the dead that refused to take the mark of the beast, then a 1000 year period of time, then another resurrection. And 1 Tes 4:15-17 says that those still living are caught up only AFTER the dead are risen. And since tohse who have part of the FIRST resurrectionare those who have ALREADY been killed because they refused to take the mark of the beast, a pre-tribulation rapture is logically and chronologycally IMPOSSIBLE!

               – “If you cannot accept what scripture has plainly stated about these five events (both past and future), then there is no point in me trying to debate the matter any further with you about this – and about the Tribulation period you refer to, because you have your religious ‘blinkers on’ that demonstrate a complete disregard for what scripture plainly states.”

               O am sorry, but that’s exactly what I have to say to you.

               2tim 4:3-4:
               “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
               The pre-tribulation rapture fable, the “left behind” books and movies…

               Now I stop arguing with you.

               “I could not have graduated from MBI, could not have served with Berean Mission and could not have been received into assemblies meeting in Gospel Halls if I had not subscribed to this doctrine!”

               – Bruce Woodford

               “The “pre-trib. rapture” teaching cannot be found stated in scripture and pastors, evangelists, missionaries and Bible school and seminary professors who teach it would lose their jobs if they rejected it! This is the major reason why this doctrine continues to be taught – a religious system has made it a requirement for such to be “on the payroll”, in spite of the fact that neither the Lord Jesus nor His apostles ever taught it!”

               https://idfables4unity.wordpress.com/2015/11/20/pre-trib-rapture-fable/

            10. Well Yosua, you don’t give up easily do you?

                I said in my previous response that you had not yet addressed the issue of the 5 resurrections and the five raptures associated with the First Resurrection.

                Although you have used mockery as a weapon against my claims to try to justify your false beliefs, the fact remains that you refuse to accept what the scriptures I have presented plainly stated. This indicates that you have fulfilled the prophecy below uttered some 2,000-years ago by the Apostle Jude that warns Christians about there being mockers like you in these last days that prefer the teachings and doctrines of ‘man’ rather than the words of our Savior Jesus Christ:

                “But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; 18 HOW THAT THEY TOLD YOU THERE SHOULD BE MOCKERS IN THE LAST TIME, WHO SHOULD WALK AFTER THEIR OWN UNGODLY LUSTS. 19 These be they who separate themselves [from those who love Biblical truth], SENSUAL, HAVING NOT THE SPIRIT.” (Jude 17-19)

                “This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR FROM ME. 9 But IN VAIN THEY DO WORSHIP ME, TEACHING FOR DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN[such as Bruce Woodford, Eusebius and Augustine].” (Matt 15:8-10)

                Until you address the scripture verses associated with the five resurrections and five ascensions, the above allegation remain against you, Yosua.

5. Hi Alan,
   Since Oct 2019 till yesterday, I have learnt enlightening teachings from 8 preachers on YouTube, and I’ve been labouring to condense them into MSWord to share it with my friends & kin.

   Praise the Lord, today I found you, your graph & your one webpage that explain the comprehensive gist of my year-long endeavour.

   What’s your insight on this particular teaching below? This preacher is my favourite thus far.
   https://youtu.be/YjkR0ZCWp3Q

   In Christ,
   Sui Lyn

   Reply

   1. Hi Sui Lyn,

      Thank you for your comments and especially those relating to my blog. God bless you.

      Firstly, I’m a very busy man so I don’t have the 80 minutes needed to watch the video. Nevertheless I did listen to some of it and I checked out John Lakes website and this is what I have to offer.

      • John believes in the false doctrine of ‘Once Saved, Always Saved’ (OSAS). If you look on his website’s ‘Faith Statement‘ page, he says:
        

        “We believe repentance from dead works includes forsaking any works that might be thought to merit favor or salvation from God.”

        This statement plus a lack of any other statement indicating that “works” are essential for Salvation clearly means he believes in OSAS.

      “Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.” (James 2:17)

      “For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.” (James 2:26)

      • In his introductory statement on the video, John talks about healing and somewhat mocks Christians who reject spiritual healing compared to unbelievers.

        My own personal experience is that God chastens those whom He loves (Hebrews 12:6-7; 12:10). My point here is that if a Christian has been made sick by God because they are being rebellious towards Him – this means that no amount of prayer or deliverance ministry will make that Christian better. Unless that Christian is corrected by another ‘loving’ (some call it “judgmental”) brother or sister – AND he or she finally repents from their offense towards God, that is the ONLY point when healing can take place in the Christian but NOT before.

      • I don’t agree with John’s promotion of wrist bands. I have seen healings take place ESPECIALLY when the elders of the church pray over items of clothing belonging to an individual needing a touch from God AND receiving it. However, as today’s churches no longer have “elders” but have replaced them with a ‘ministry team’ comprised of both men and women, such a compromise with Christ’s requirements stated in scripture (that elders and deacons be males) cannot bring about the healings with handkerchiefs as stated, so people have devised other means to supposedly achieve this. Now it is with wristbands – presumably for sale.

      “A bishop [or elder] then must be blameless, the husband of one wife…” (1 Tim 3:2)

      “Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife…” (1 Tim 3:12)

      Therefore, I’m sorry to disappoint your expectation of Pastor John’s ministry Sui Lyn, but that is how I see it from the limited time I have available to view his beliefs and practices.

      Please check out my regular teaching videos that can be found on my YouTube channel to learn more about Bible topics not covered on my blog.

      Blessings sister! Alan

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6. Hi Alan,
   I am a simply man and my thinking is like that: I am the father and my child is a member of my family. Regardless of what my kid will do, he/she will always be my kid. As a child of God I received free gift from God – by grace through faith I have been saved by Him.
   And became member of His Family. As His gift is irrevocable (Rom. 11/29), He can’t expel me from His family, as I can’t expel my kid from my family even If my kid did something wrong.
   There is 1 condition: I am in God’s family as long as Spirit Himself witness with my spirit that I am the child of God (Rom. 8/16).
   As a Christian, I am created in Christ for good works, to have fruit of the Spirit. This fruit(s) of the Spirit are not mine, they are the fruits of the Spirit, which Spirit is generating through me.
   These works (fruits) are not the condition of my salvation (as this is a free irrevocable gift of God’s grace), they are just proof of my salvation.
   Personally, I do sometimes works from my flesh, sometimes Spirit using me to show people His fruits.
   I am not perfect as ap. Paul was not perfect too (Rom. 7/15-21).
   So, my advice is that: regarding salvation and works, leave the people free choice, let them believe and judge themselves, according to their own level of faith.

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   1. Hallelujah, well said brother (or sister)! I am a nurse in palliative care. I’d love people to come to know Jesus before they die, but I also know from experience that without Him I can do NOTHING. Jesus used me miraculously quite a few times though so dying patients gave their lives to Him just before they died. It was His work, not mine! Hence we will put our crowns before Him because He did all the good works in us. All I did was obeyed the Holy Spirit and opened my mouth when He said so. What He said to my patients through my mouth was enough for them to get saved and go to heaven. That was their initial and final salvation. Without the need for water Baptism. The same way the criminal next to Jesus on the cross was accepted.

      The works that is required is that I believe in Him whom the father has sent. My job is to listen to the Holy Spirit and do what He says, just as Abraham did. Obey.

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      1. May God bless you abundantly for your sharing of the Gospel, Gabriella.

         Thank you for sharing the work of the kingdom you have done and recognizing that Initial and Final Salvation is necessary for Salvation.

         Blessings, sister!

         (Brother) Alan

         Reply

   2. Hi Roman,

      Thank you for taking the time to comment. I will address each point you make.

      Firstly you say, “[God] can’t expel me from His family, as I can’t expel my kid from my family even If my kid did something wrong.”

      The spiritual issue here is not of separating a child from a parent. Salvation is an issue as to whose (parental) voice one listens to and obeys in the spirit. In other words, if God the Father says “son, go do My will…” and then Satan says, “Yea, hath God said you need to do that???” – God the Father, Christ and the holy angels judge on whose voice the (potential) “child of God obeys”. If that Child follows Satan’s voice as Adam (the son of God – Luke 3:38) did in the Garden of Eden, then whose “son” did he finally end up being after he (and Eve) failed their OBEDIENCE test?

      “A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a father, where is mine honour? and if I be a master, where is my fear? saith the Lord of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name?” (Malachi 1:6)

      “If any man serve me [Jesus], let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.” (John 12:26)

      The issue here is of hearing and obeying the voice we hear in the spirit world. That of Abba Father or of Satan.

      Secondly you say, “These works (fruits) are not the condition of my salvation (as this is a free irrevocable gift of God’s grace), they are just proof of my salvation.”

      The Bible reveals the ELEVEN distinctive “fruits” of the Holy Spirit’s manifestation, which are these:

      • love,
      • joy,
      • peace,
      • longsuffering,
      • gentleness,
      • goodness,
      • faith,
      • Meekness,
      • temperance, (Gal 5:22-23)
      • goodness,
      • righteousness,
      • truth. (Eph 5:9)

      If a Christian has the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit indwelling him or her, then ALL eleven characteristics of His presence listed above should be evident in such a Christian. EVERY Christian should demonstrate a DOUBLE PORTION of “goodness”!

      None of these are “works” as you claim. They are evidence of the Spirit’s presence or if absent, the holy Spirit’s absence from that Christian.

      Finally you say, “I am not perfect as ap. Paul was not perfect too (Rom. 7/15-21).”

      Jesus gave the following commend to “Be ye perfect…” as stated below:

      ”
      “Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.” (Matt 5:48)

      Jesus also said that IF you love Him, then demonstrate your professed love by obeying His commandments:

      “If ye love me, keep [or OBEY] my commandments.” (John 14:15)

      Satan knows that if you disobey any or all of Christ’s commandments, you will demonstrate to Christ and God that you don’t love Jesus Christ. If you become a disobedient “son” (as Adam was) you no longer have eternal life with Christ.

      In this, rebellion towards obeying the words of Christ and of God is akin to committing the sins of witchcraft and idolatry. God, Christ and Satan know this – but do you, Roman?

      “For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry…” (1 Samuel 15:23)

      Anyone who rebels against God and Christ does NOT have eternal life. He or she will have eternal punishment in the Lake of Fire along with their ‘father’ – the Devil and Satan.

      I am happy to discuss this further if you choose to do so, Roman.

      Blessings, Alan

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7. Hi Allan,

   I find your blog as a blessing to me, and what exactly I’m looking for. I’ve been really searching deeply for answers how to continue on with my spiritual walk, as I have been struggling and trying to search for the truth in everything I hear from a lot of preachers. Thank you and God bless you and your work. – Glenn

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   1. Hi Glenn,

      Thank you so much for your kind words – and ALL praise to our Lord Jesus Christ!

      If you would like further teaching in issues associated with ‘My Gospel’, I encourage you to view my Bible studies that can be found on my YouTube channel. These happen (usually) once per week online with a group of international Christians, and these studies are then edited and uploaded to YouTube over the weekend.

      I suggest you check out this week’s forthcoming lesson, which is titled, “The Eight Stages of Initial and Final Salvation“. This study will describe what each stage represents, and the achievements each stage requires for spiritual growth to take place in the Christian.

      Thanks again for your encouragement, and may God bless you brother!

      Alan

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8. Hi Alan,
   Your definitions of initial and final salvation are somewhat contradictory. What happens if someone dies after initial salvation without having achieved final salvation? Are they saved? If not, “initial salvation” isn’t salvation.
   What do you mean by salvation?
   I also noticed you never defined final salvation. If you work on your definitions, then compare them to what the bible says salvation is, you will hopefully learn from this process.
   God is our Saviour, so salvation is something he does for us. We still have to answer for we do with our salvation, and it will be super scary to answer to God for a less than dedicated performance. Paul wasn’t threatening the Philippians with Hell, unless they wanted to indulge unrepentant in sexual immorality or materialism
   Anyway, God bless. Hope you find the truth =)

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   1. Hi Nova – thanks for your comment.

      Regarding your question:

      “What happens if someone dies after initial salvation without having achieved final salvation? Are they saved? If not, “initial salvation” isn’t salvation.”

      Firstly, Salvation is up to God as to how long people remain alive on the Earth after they accept Christ as Savior. OUR responsibility in “…working out our own Salvation in fear and trembling that we might lose it” (Phil 2:12) is to ensure that we are heading towards the “mark of high calling in Christ Jesus” (Phil 3:14).

      In other words, Salvation is NOT about God making you an offer of eternal life and of you accepting the offer and then when you die after living an unrestrained life on Earth, you continue on to live your new life with Christ throughout eternity. That is NOT how it works.
      

      How it DOES WORK is this.

      If you have accepted one of the many false gospels about today, God wants to determine how much you value your Salvation. In this, He requires you to “Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many [Christians], I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall NOT BE ABLE.” (Luke 13:24)

      It is Satan’s will that you go no further in your spiritual journey than the stage of Initial Salvation – or the acceptance of an offer from our Creator. This very low level of ‘faith’ (that even a child is able to accept) is insufficient to get anyone into Heaven many years later, as God requires “works of faith” to be evident in the Christian’s life – the stuff where one can say, “…if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done” (Matt 21:21 – Jesus speaking).

      The Apostle James says this about “faith without any accompanying works“:

      “But be ye DOERS of the word, and NOT HEARERS only, deceiving your own selves. 23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: 24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. 25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being NOT A FORGETFUL HEARER, but A DOER OF THE WORK, this man shall be blessed in his deed.” (James 1:22-25)

      This is where many Christians fail in their faith today – because they have not been encouraged to “walk in the spirit” instead of the “walking in the flesh” (Rom 8:1).

      Then you say:

      “I also noticed you never defined final salvation.”

      I’m sorry to disappoint you Nova, but if you go to the tab at the top of my menu items that says “Conditional Salvation” and with the sub heading titled, “The True Gospel“, you will see that I have adequately described the Full Gospel that few Christians ever really hear. It can be found here.

      Finally you say:

      “Paul wasn’t threatening the Philippians with Hell, unless they wanted to indulge unrepentant in sexual immorality or materialism”

      What you have said is totally wrong, Nova.

      I invite you to click on this link and read the many Plain Laws and Warnings provided in Scripture that say that Salvation can be easily lost.

      https://mygospel.info/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Plain-Laws-and-Warnings.pdf

      Any comments you may have would be appreciated, Nova.

      Blessings, Alan

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      1. The thief on the cross was saves by confession and salvation alone. He had no works. He said remeber me in Paradise, god saved him period.

         We are saved by grace, by the blood of jesus. God does not save us and then take it away

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         1. Dear Anonymous,

            In response to both of your comments, God requires the Christian life to be a life of growth – just as a seed has to grow into a plant and the plant has to grow into a tree for it to produce fruit. That is what the life of a Christian is supposed to represent — according to the scriptures.

            “But HE THAT RECEIVED SEED INTO GOOD GROUND is he that HEARETH the word, and UNDERSTANDETH it; which also BEARETH FRUIT, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.” (Matt 13:23)

            In contrast to this, what you present is similar to accepting an invitation. You accept it and then you attend. Nothing more to do. But, will this “invitation” really give you the eternal life you expect, or could it be a fake invitation that will disappoint you when you most need what it offers?

            Every element of grace and blessing from the gospel is in SEED-FORM and implanted in the heart of the true child of God (1 Peter 1:23; James 1:18). If the SEED is watered from Heaven and nurtured by the individual Christian in conformity to the Word of God, such Christians will grow to full maturity and ultimately PRODUCE “FRUIT” unto God (John 15:1-8).

            No amount of personal belief or attending church services will make a Christian fully mature and readied for Heaven.

            On the contrary, one must “walk in the light as He is in the light” (1 John 1:7) continually to receive knowledge, so that he or she will grow to maturity in Christ (1 John 2:14). This is the meaning behind “growing in grace” (2 Peter 3:18) and thereby moving on from being a “babe in Christ” (1 Peter 2:2) through to being a “little child” (Gal 4:19); a “strong young man” (1 John 2:14) then a “father” (1 John 2:14) and possibly a “good soldier of Jesus Christ” (2 Tim 2:3). These growth stages represent spiritual maturity as a Christian.

            God’s aim of requiring Christians maturing into the MAN (or woman) of God by “growing in grace” is to determine if they are able to overcome Satan’s temptations and lies – just as Jesus Christ overcame Satan’s temptations and lies. If we fail to mature, we may become the same as Adam and Eve in their fallen state and rejected by our Creator.

            “To him that OVERCOMETH will I grant to sit with me in my throne, EVEN AS I ALSO OVERCAME, and am set down with my Father in his throne.” (Rev 3:21)

            I hope that from this comment, you will see God’s process for Final Salvation involves much more than what you believe, Anonymous.

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9. Sir

   With respect and love… John 1 says Jesus is the creator. He has created all life. I don’t believe his branches of the vine are just referring to Christians.

   John 3:16 Says who so whosoever believe in him… (note this does not lay out other conditions). For it is by Grace you have been saved through faith. Faith to believe. Faith even as small as. Mustard seed. Not by the works of ourselves so no one can boast.

   Jesus’ finished work on the cross is all that is necessary. We do good works because of the new heart Jesus places in us.

   Yes we must persevere to the end making disciples until Jesus calls us home. But God asks only that you believe and trust in him, daily.

   Also the thief on the cross did none of these things you speak of. Yet Jesus himself said he would be with him in paradise that day… He was never baptized, never had a chance to do good works, never had a chance to bear fruit.

   I appreciate your effort to get people to be more serious about their faith. But Jesus his work is simple so even a child can understand. In fact Jesus says that we have to come to him like a child, with child like understanding.

   I don’t pretend to know much about all of these things or how God thinks. But I know these verses that I spoke up here and I believe Jesus’s work on the cross is sufficient to save as long as I have faith to believe he was The son of God, died for our sins and was resurrected From death.

   I did find your information very interesting. I mean no disrespect. If you believe in Christ then you’re my brother and I love you like a brother.

   Jim

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   1. The verse you quote from Ephesians… once you believe you are sealed by the Holy Spirit…

      If you love Jesus you will obey his commandments. And thereby do good works and accomplish these things you speak of.

      However, it is not conditional. And it is nothing that we can do to achieve. Our best is filthy rags to God. Right?

      Loves these discussions. Hope all is well with you. Have a great weekend.

      Jim

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   2. Dear Jim – thanks for posting your comments “With respect and love”. That’s how comments and discussion should be.
      I will ignore your comments that I agree with but quote those I disagree with.

      You say:

      “I don’t believe his branches of the vine are just referring to Christians.”

      Well, you can believe anything you like Jim but Jesus Himself said these words as Him being Christ the Vine (John 15:1-8)and of we being “”BRANCHES” grafted into Him. You either believe what Christ says or you don’t:

      “I [Jesus] am THE VINE, YE ARE THE BRANCHES… 6 If a man abide not in me [as a branch], he is [pruned off Christ and] cast forth as a branch [to the ground], and [as such] is withered [spiritually dry]; and men [meaning angels] gather them, and CAST THEM INTO THE FIRE, and they are burned [for eternity in the Lake of Fire — Rev 21:8].” (John 15:5-6)

      I will add that EVERY Christian who accepts Christ as their Savior becomes spiritually grafted into Christ so that God the Father can receive spiritual “fruit” obtained from off each branch (or Christian) representing Christ on the Earth. If Christians fail to produce any of the required “fruit” for God, he or she is eventually pruned from Christ the Vine, as stated above.

      If you disagree with what I say, then please provide me with your understanding of what the parable of John 15:1-8 means, Jim.

      You say:

      “John 3:16 Says who so whosoever believe in him… (note this does not lay out other conditions). For it is by Grace you have been saved through faith. Faith to believe. Faith even as small as. Mustard seed. Not by the works of ourselves so no one can boast.”

      I agree with every word you say above, however it is in the context of a new Christian accepting Christ as Savior that represents Initial Salvation that represents FAITH + GRACE ONLY.

      By failing to accept that there are many more ‘conditions’ Christians need to meet to FINALLY secure Salvation at the end of their life is to miss the many warnings established in scripture that warn us our Salvation can be lost through either neglect or through abusing God’s grace – especially of failing God’s grace:

      “I do NOT FRUSTRATE the grace of God…” (Gal 2:21)

      “Looking diligently lest any man FAIL of the grace of God…” (Heb 12:15)

      One of the most essential qualities God requires Christians to secure is that of HOLINESS because without it, no Christian has eternal life, as stated below:

      “FOLLOW peace with all men, and HOLINESS, without which no man shall see the Lord…” (Heb 12:14)

      You say:

      “Jesus’ finished work on the cross is all that is necessary.”

      No. We are to become like Him and do the “works” that He did to demonstrate to both God and Satan that we are indeed “sons of God” (John 1:12; Rom 8:14; Phil 2:15).

      If Christians prefer to imagine that being a “son of God” is in name only without producing any of the accompanying “works” to prove he or she is a child of the Living God, then such Christians have failed to “study their Bibles to become approved of God” (2 Tim 2:15), which means they have no Salvation.

      “But be ye DOERS of the word, and NOT HEARERS ONLY, deceiving your own selves. 23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: 24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.” (James 1:22-24)

      You say:

      “We do good works because of the new heart Jesus places in us.”

      Maybe you might like to share with me what “works” you have done that you think God will find acceptable to Him based upon this verse of scripture, Jim:

      “For whosoever shall do the will of God [through “spiritual works” — Gal 3:5 compared to Heb 9:14], the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother [meaning ‘family’ in Heaven].” (Mark 3:35)

      You say:

      “Yes we must persevere to the end making disciples until Jesus calls us home.”

      What you refer to “persevere” is probably completely different to what God refers to in the Christian life.

      As an example, standing up for “righteous values” in today’s generation of wickedness will bring about such persecution that a Christian could easily lose their life in many countries today, which makes “persevering” a very difficult proposition. I’m wondering if this is the level of perseverence you are referring to here Jim?

      You say:

      “But God asks only that you believe and trust in him, daily.”

      Where does it say that Salvation is secure if “…you believe and trust in him, daily”, Jim? Maybe you could share those verses with me?

      You say:

      “Also the thief on the cross did none of these things you speak of. Yet Jesus himself said he would be with him in paradise that day… He was never baptized, never had a chance to do good works, never had a chance to bear fruit.”

      God has allowed Salvation for everyone — whether it was the thief on the cross who could not be baptized (Mark 16:16) or perform any “works” (James 2:26).

      In this example, God has allowed for Salvation to be obtained for a person about to die on a hospital trolley prior to going into surgery. However, for other Christians who live on from their Initial Salvation day many years after, both God and Christ expect them to seek the Gifts of the Holy Spirit in which to bring forth MUCH FRUIT into God’s kingdom. If Christians fail to bring forth such “fruit” – they are deemed by God the Father to be “fruitless branches” (John 15:5-6:) and therefore unworthy of entry into God’s kingdom and therefore eternal life with Christ.

      “For as the body without the spirit is dead, so FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD also.” (James 2:26)

      You say:

      “I appreciate your effort to get people to be more serious about their faith. But Jesus his work is simple so even a child can understand. In fact Jesus says that we have to come to him like a child, with child like understanding.”

      It is VERY clear in my article — ‘Final Salvation: Running the Race’ that after a Christian is spiritually “born again” into God’s kingdom, that he or she must then commence GROWING in maturity from that of:

      • A “babe in Christ” (1 Cor 3:1)
      • A “little child” (1 John 2:13)
      • A “strong young man” (1 John 2:14)
      • A “father” (1 John 2:13)
      • A “good soldier of Jesus Christ” (2 Tim 2:3).

      If Christians fail to fully understand what it means to become genuinely “born again” (John 3:8) this means they have NO Salvation (John 3:5) as clearly stated by Jesus.

      My point here is that your reference to a “child like understanding” of Salvation refers to Initial Salvation. If Christians fail to progress past this point of Biblical understanding, there is no Salvation.

      Christians MUST be “born again” and then progress on in spiritual maturity while bringing forth the required spiritual “fruit” along the way to please God and to demonstrate he or she is a “son of God”:

      “No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.” (2 Tim 2:4)

      You say:

      “…I believe Jesus’s work on the cross is sufficient to save as long as I have faith to believe he was The son of God, died for our sins and was resurrected From death.”

      You can believe whatever you like Jim. But, there is only ONE Gospel that Saves. The TRUE Gospel is a “mystery” that very few (if any) Christians know or care about today. This ‘mystery’ represents Final Salvation and that of spiritually maturing throughout one’s Christian years while bringing forth spiritual “fruit” unto God along the way.

      “And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known THE MYSTERY OF THE GOSPEL,” (Eph 6:19)

      The TRUE Gospel requires Christians to OBEY it if they expect to receive eternal life after one dies. Most (if not ALL Christians today would argue that the Gospel needs to be obeyed. However, if they fully understood God’s purposes behind Final Salvation they would see that obeying what I have described brings forth many blessings from God.

      I’ll see if I can find time to respond to your other comments, Jim.

      Blessings, Alan

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10. Hi Alan,
    I would like to ask you few questions.
    1. Could you share your testimony how you got saved and why do you believe you got saved.
    2. With what authority are you teaching the Holy Scriptures.
    3. Where does in the Bible you found such a term as a “Souls winners crown “ and why did you implemented this ideology into: 1 thes 2:19 two times in your article : “10 crowns in the scriptures” as this term is not even in the Bible?

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    1. Hi Daniel,

       I apologize for my late reply, but your comment was stuck in my Spam box.

       My answers to your questions:

       1. Quote: Could you share your testimony how you got saved and why do you believe you got saved.”

       I genuinely gave my life to Jesus at age 13-years. I backslid very quickly thereafter but was not a “bad person”. I was Initally Saved back then, but didn’t know it. Had I died anywhere in between, I would have gone to Hell as an unsaved sinner.

       Some 27-years later and after searching through the New Age Movement for some 3-years to find ‘The Truth’ about the afterlife that I believe the Christian churches know very little about, I eventually had a personal encounter with Jesus Christ that changed my life completely. I have never considered going to my old ways ever since – and that was 30-years ago.

       In my life I have lost houses, lands and two children for my life in Christ (Matt 19:29) – but Jesus has given me a NEW LIFE of abundance – both in material and spiritual blessings.

       I hope that brief explanation helps. Daniel.

       2. Quote: “With what authority are you teaching the Holy Scriptures.”

       I use John 6:45, which says:

       “It is written in the prophets, And THEY SHALL BE ALL TAUGHT OF GOD. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.” (John 6:45)

       My point here is that I have been personally taught the understanding of the scriptures by Father God just as He says He will do for everyone who wants that type of teaching. He is my authority, together with Jesus Christ. Amen? All you have to do is look at what I write and compare with what I say to the scripture verses either quoted or referenced. It is they (the words of scripture) that speak for themselves, as God’s word is a Living Word.

       3. Quote: “Where does in the Bible you found such a term as a “Souls winners crown.”

       Maybe you can show me where exactly I said this Daniel. I am happy to respond, but the search of my website and a search of my computer failed to bring up any reference to this. Maybe you can show me where you read it?

       4. Quote: “why did you implemented this ideology into: 1 thes 2:19 two times in your article : “10 crowns in the scriptures” as this term is not even in the Bible?”

       Sorry Daniel – I cannot find any reference to this. You will need to give me a link to the webpage on both of these points.

       I hope this answers most of your questions.

       Alan

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11. non-negotiable item of Christian faith. What has been a matter of debate is the relation between salvation and our activities in the world. The Bible presents salvation in the form of a story that describes the outworking of God’s eternal plan to deal with the problem of human sin. The story is set against the background of the history of God’s people and reaches its climax in the person and work of Christ. The Old Testament part of the story shows that people are sinners by nature, and describes a series of covenants by which God sets people free and makes promises to them. His plan includes the promise of blessing for all nations through Abraham and the redemption of Israel from every form of bondage. God showed his saving power throughout Israel’s history, but he also spoke about a Messianic figure who would save all people from the power, guilt, and penalty of sin. This role was fulfilled by Jesus, who will ultimately destroy all the devil’s work, including suffering, pain, and death.

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    1. Hello Runner,

       Sorry about the delay in responding, but your comment hit my Spam box. Apologies.

       I agree with all you say, however it is NOT the only issue of sin that Christians have to deal with in their lives.

       My blog is aimed to highlight the need for every Christian to become “spiritually-minded” and not remain “carnally minded” as stated below:

       “For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.” (Rom 8:6)

       No amount of personal belief or attending church services will make a Christian fully mature and readied for Heaven.

       On the contrary, one must “walk in the light as He is in the light” (1 John 1:7) continually to receive knowledge, so that he or she will grow to maturity in Christ (1 John 2:14). This is the meaning behind “growing in grace” (2 Peter 3:18) and thereby moving on from being a “babe in Christ” (1 Peter 2:2) through to being a “little child” (Gal 4:19); a “strong young man” (1 John 2:14) then a “father” (1 John 2:14) and possibly a “good soldier of Jesus Christ” (2 Tim 2:3). These growth stages represent spiritual maturity as a Christian.

       God’s aim of requiring Christians maturing into the MAN (or woman) of God by “growing in grace” is to determine if they are able to overcome Satan’s temptations and lies in this life – just as Jesus Christ overcame Satan’s temptations and lies. If we fail to mature, we may become the same as Adam and Eve in their fallen state and rejected by our Creator.

       I hope this comment has helped you Runner.

       Blessings, Alan

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12. Sir, there is no such thing as initial salvation and final salvation, the only means to obtain Salvation is Jesus ( Acts 4:12, Jn 14:6) and Jesus finished it for us to recieve the full salvation, there is no half salvation, or partial salvation, or final salvation. Once a person accept the Lord Jesus Christ in faith, then immidiately they got saved, the salvation is granted in full. The Holy spirit is infilled within them and it never leaves us again (ref. Jn 14:16, Rom 8: 35 -39). It is an assurance for God to take cares of those who have come to Him for the rest of their life, because when the Holy Spirit is given it is all done and completed from God, as the Holy Spirit never leaves us again. It is the work of the Holy Spirit to sanctify and make them grow in faith for the newly born again christian. So, the truly born again Christian are assured of salvation, they are saved forever, the concept “once saved always saved” is true and in accordance with the words of God ( see phil 1:6, Jn 10:28, Rom 8:35-39). As for the good works that you speak about the believers, again it is not our natural fleshly way of doing the good works, it is byproduct of the gift of salvation. Also, the truly saved believers will always hate what is sins, all christians at one time during their initial stage of faith have fallen and tempted, and have grieved, regretted greatly for falling short and they grow as they strive and wanting to live holier and more spiritual. And those are the signs of the Spirit living within them and they will do better next time and become a mature christian overtime. As the Bible and you said, flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, so it is not the good work done by our flesh and blood but it is cause by the Holy Spirit for believers to bear those fruits of the Holy Spirit (Gal 5:22, 23). Purely the desire of good works are byproduct of salvation in the believers life unlike the unsaved or religious folks does in their own strength and effort, the believers are not so. No one is perfect as long as we are in this side of glory, and God knows the heart and desire of His children who trust in Him. To be saved and to not want to do good works cant happen, it means that person is not save in the first place, the save will always desires what the Holy Spirit desires and intent to do for God. The real save believers also does not continue in the cycle of sins, they will grow, come out more stronger as they face trials and various temptation carrying the cross and following Jesus. God is there always to lift them up and help them in their faith and for making them more and more like Christ. So it is impossible for once saved and salvation person to lose his or her salvation, the scriptures confirms it.

    Thank you

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    1. Dear Tholi – thank you for your comments on Once Saved, Always Saved (OSAS).

       The Bible is very clear that Christians are required to meet certain conditions to be ‘Finally Saved’ – that is, if we believe what ALL the scriptures actually say.

       For instance the Bible says:

       “Receiving THE END OF YOUR FAITH, even THE SALVATION OF YOUR SOULS.” (1 Peter 1:9)

       The scripture verse above plainly states that Salvation is linked to “THE END OF YOUR FAITH” (journey or pilgrimage) throughout your lifetime on the Earth. This verse forms the basis of Final Salvation, which commences when God the Father arranges the New Birth for His child (John 3:3-8) AFTER the Christian has demonstrated his or her determination to “STRIVE to enter into God’s kingdom…”

       “Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” (Luke 13:24)

       Do you agree? If not, can you explain your reasons why using the relevant scripture verses?

       Next, there are a few requirements God has established for EVERY Christian to meet if they realistically expect to enter into Heaven at their death.

       1. HOLINESS: The Bible says that “…without HOLINESS, no man will see the Lord” (Heb 12:14-16)
       2. Without FAITH IN ACTION (Heb 11) it is impossible to please God” (Heb 11:6; James 2:26)
       3. Without DIVINE LOVE (1 Cor 13) being evident in the Christian’s life towards their Christian ‘brethren’ being amply demonstrated first – together with their neighbors. In this, Christians who fail to meet these requirements for UNRESTRICTED LOVE are likened unto “deafening brass instruments” or “hard to hear tinkling cymbals” that have no intelligent sounds, as stated in 1 Cor 13:1.
       4. UNABLE TO DEMONSTRATE ANY GIFTS OF THE SPIRIT operating in a Christian’s life, which means such Christians have NO POWER to overcome the Devil (Rom 15:13; 1 Cor 2:4; 2 Thes 1:11).
       5. UNABLE TO KNOW and then DO God’s the Father’s WILL on Earth using the Gifts of the Spirit that are needed to accomplish the tasks that God requires. If Christians never know “God’s will for them in their life”, how can such a Christian become a “SON OF GOD” AND a functioning member of God’s family in Heaven as stated by Jesus Christ in the scripture verses below?

       “For whosoever shall do THE WILL of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my BROTHER, and SISTER, and MOTHER.” (Matt 12:50)

       “But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to EVERY MAN to PROFIT withal. 8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.” (1 Cor 12:7-11)

       I could add more requirements contained in the scriptures here, but my point is that one who believes in a heresy cannot ‘cherry-pick’ the scriptures as those who believe in OSAS do to create a convenient ‘gospel’ that people prefer to hear. Those who create such false gospels do so to reject the more stringent requirements of being “born-again” (John 3:3-8) that lead to the operation of the Gifts of the Spirit being exercised so as to fulfill the Will of God and be identified in the spirit world as a “son of God” who is able to do the same “works” as Christ did or even GREATER WORKS!

       “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and GREATER WORKS THAN THESE SHALL HE DO; because I go unto my Father.” (John 14:12)

       Therefore, I appreciate your comments and the sincerity of your convictions Tholi, but unless Christians can demonstrate they are a “SON of God” that has become a spiritually functioning member of the Body of Christ here on the Earth doing GREATER WORKS than Christ did – he or she has believed a false gospel.

       In this, I suggest you view my video that exposes the lies associated with OSAS as preached by Robert Breaker – https://youtu.be/EVkcaxmsHv0

       I also encourage you to view my more recent articles about the following topics that relate to this:

       • Running the Race Set Before Us – https://mygospel.info/final-salvation-running-the-race/
       • The New Birth – https://mygospel.info/the-new-birth/
       • Works of Faith – https://mygospel.info/works/
       • Are only FEW Christian Saved? – https://mygospel.info/are-only-few-christians-saved/

       If you still have any concerns about this matter, feel free to post another comment.

       Blessings, Alan

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       1. Alan God does not put conditions on salvation. End of story he saves us if we believe in him if we have faith as small as a mustard seed

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    2. Matthew 18 verses 23 to 35 speak of the unforgiving servant. Verse 34 and 35 say what happens to a servant if they have unforgiveness in their heart. 35, So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses. It says everyone here, it doesn’t say except those who are truly saved. I can give many examples here, for instance the wages of sin being death, notice theirs no get out clause for those truly saved. Unless ye repent ye likewise shall perish. If you sin wilfully you hang the Lord back on the cross in open shame so I implore you to drop your religious ideology and seek the Lord fully. I’m not saying I agree completely with these guys as they fail to mention daily repentance but you are in greater error. Much love

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       1. Thank you for your comment Sean, but I am somewhat bemused by what you say, as my message of Initial and Final Salvation has nothing in it about unforgiveness. Sure, I agree with your scripture verse references, but you have failed to quote anything I have written on my blog to argue the issue with me.

          At the top of the article I have the following verses of scripture there that clearly indicate that Final Salvation is necessary to achieve in the Christian life. Maybe you might like to explain to me how you understand these verses to mean?

          Scripture verses that prove Final Salvation

          Below are the key verses which prove that God requires His people to “ENDURE TO THE END to be Saved“:

          “Receiving THE END OF YOUR FAITH, even THE SALVATION OF YOUR SOULS.”
          1 Peter 1:9

          The five things ALL Christians MUST DO TO THE END of their faith journey to be Saved are these:

          1. ENDURE TO THE END to be saved (Matt 10:22; Matt 24:13; Mark 13:13).

          2. HOLD FAST THE HOPE of eternal life TO THE END (Heb 3:6).

          3. HOLD THE BEGINNING OF OUR CONFIDENCE [obtained at Initial Salvation] steadfast TO THE END (or, Final Salvation – Heb 3:14).

          4. SHOW THE SAME DILIGENCE to the full assurance of hope TO THE END (Heb 6:11).

          5. OVERCOME AND KEEP CHRIST’S WORKS TO THE END (Rev 2:26).

          Blessings, Alan

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13. My name is Anita A. Twum-Ampofo from Ghana west Africa.
    I came about this site when looking to understand spiritual growth after rebirth to share with my family and i believe this piece has nailed it. I pray The Spirit leads you in all works. Amen

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    1. Thank you so much for your comment, Anita. It is always encouraging to know when God the Holy Spirit touches His people through His words reproduced by Christ’s servants like me.

       Blessings, Sister!

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    2. Thank you for the confirmation, with God’s truth expounding on FAITH alone & FAITH + WORKS. Love the illustration on ‘Initial Salvation’ and ‘Final Salvation’. God Bless the ministry & His servant as you continue to share this truth for such a time as this…

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       1. Hello Vasiti – welcome to my blog.

          I am doing an online Bible study each week that I record and then post on my YouTube channel.

          I suggest that you watch these presentations, as they provide a deeper insight into what the Bible actually teaches, – together with the HOPE that we all need in these dark spiritual days. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCg0vqaldEAN0zEgWnSmeOCg/videos?view_as=subscriber

          “Wherefore comfort one another with these words.” (1 Thes 4:15-18)

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14. Thanks for the message may the Almighty God bless you through Jesus Christ name.

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    1. Thank you for the nice message ,i am blessed reading this very encouraging words ,God bless Sir for your effort to write this .

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       1. Thank you for taking the time to respond Alimba. I encourage you to go to my YouTube channel and check out the 20+ videos I have listed under the ‘Video’ tab. I am adding a video almost every week. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCg0vqaldEAN0zEgWnSmeOCg/videos

          Blessings Alimba, Alan

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          1. This is such an eye opener. Please Mr. Alan, I sent you a message on YouTube and I realize you haven’t seen it. Please if you would mind could you give me you mail address I have an issue to discuss with you concerning this topic. And I would like it to be private please.

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             1. Hello Ayo – I sent you an email 24 hours ago but have not received a response. Try checking in your Spam folder for my message.

                Blessings!

15. Dear Alan,
    I was spiritually encouraged, comforted and also convicted for repentance of my lukewarmness. I have a peculiar issue and I hold myself fully responsible for it as I have disobeyed the Lord and grieved the Holy Spirit in many occasions. I want to finish my race spiritually and being FULLY connected with the Lord. I need your advise as I am not connected currently to any congregation, is there a way to connect with you, so that you can help with your Godly advise.

    Regards,
    Amarjeet

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    1. Dear Amarjeet,

       I have contacted you and given you advice. I will place you on my prayer list.

       Blessings! Alan

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       1. Dear Alan
          With all do respect ,
          If God requires works for our salvation we are all doomed , salvation is by faith alone but the fruit of the spirit is the works , I am not perfect and neither are you , what you have stated is wrong.
          Because God does not require our works or good deeds to save us if so He would not have sent Jesus to suffer and die on the cross for our sin, the word or God says God loved us while we were still sinners …..but the work that we do as Christians is by the grace of God .
          I did not say this so I can be permitted to do anything I want or live a sinful life , but to let you know your works and good deeds will not get you to heaven .
          Remember the thief on the cross with Jesus he just believed and he was saved.

          AR

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          1. Thanks for your comments Ar. They were in the Spam filter for a while. Sorry.

             Firstly, it appears that you have not accepted what I wrote about Initial and Final Salvation – where Initial Salvation requires FAITH ALONE by GRACE ALONE to accept Christ as Savior of one’s soul from Hell. Naturally, water baptism must follow to confirm that “confession of faith” (Rom 10:9-10) – but if that is all people do in their Christian life other than go to church, then that’s not good enough.

             This is because Jesus requires “laborers” to work for Him in the “harvest fields” (John 4:35-36). These laborers are to preach the TRUE GOSPEL, heal the sick, raise the dead and do “GREATER WORKS that Christ did” (John 14:12) – so that when their “works are passed through the flames to try what sort of work they are” (1 Cor 3:12-15) each “laborer will receive his or her reward” (2 John 1:8).

             If Christians have no “works” that have been exercised purify their faith (James 2:22, 24), then they won’t be in the Rapture, as afterwards in Heaven, Christ determines each of His “good and faithful servants” based upon their faithful service in this life (Luke 19:17).

             All One Talent and One Pound Christians (not “servants” – Matt 25:24-30 and Luke 19:20-26) will then forfeit their salvation and the reward Christ has waiting for them. This is because they preferred to listen to an agent of the Devil preaching the False Gospel of ‘Once Saved, Always Saved’ – meaning, no works needed in this life.

             Remember AR, every Christian has to “…work out their own salvation in fear and trembling” that Satan might rob you of it (Phil 2:12). Christ gives you the freedom to choose the ONLY Gospel of your Salvation that saves from eternal death – or you can believe a false gospel of lies that will damn your soul forever. Blessings, Alan

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             1. We believe in the final Salvation, i don’t believe in the initial salvation, because salvation is always final! there is no installment even in forgiveness. When God forgives He really forgive. When He raise the dead He really raise the dead. Jesus Christ blood and His death is final … what is intriguing is the reward after salvation was instated in the presentation. not all saved will be rewarded. Salvation is not a reward but a gift! many will shed their tears upon arrival in Heaven and the Lord will wipe away them, bec. they are saved w/out fruits (works),they are saved so as by fire…thanks be to God for the true save living today, have a chance to do good, to prove that they are really saved bythe Grace of God through faith alone. but faith is not alone bec. the Grace of God was always there. Rom. 6:1..The fruit of the Spirit is working in the lives of true believers today…Praise be to God…’work out’ =means exercise , you prove you are really save…it is not work for your salvation..if salvation depends on everyman(works), no body will be saved…Thanks for the free gift of Salvation that is in Christ Jesus…Glory to God!

             2. Thanks for the comment Pollie.

                Please remember that both God and Christ give everyone their free-will choice to believe whatever they want. Such ‘freedom’ therefore allows ‘the serpent’ to cast doubts and lies into people’s minds about what God really said. Check the conversation that happened in the Garden of Eden to see what I mean here. (Gen 3:1-7)

                Also remember that there is ONLY ONE GOSPEL THAT SAVES a soul from spending eternity in the Lake of Fire. It is the ONE that requires Christians to “OBEY” (Rom 10:16)! It is also one that contains a “MYSTERY” that must be unraveled and understood spiritually (Rom 16:25; Eph 6:19).

                If what you believe will do that, then it’s not up to me or anyone else to convince you otherwise (Romans 14:5).

                Blessings, Pollie! Alan

             3. Quick question sir,how many talents did the thief on the cross work to earn his salvation?

             4. Hi Nyasha,

                The Thief on the Cross was ‘Saved’ – by Grace ALONE – Initial Salvation. This was because he first expressed his faith in Christ in a situation where he could not get down from the cross to be water baptized to complete that secondary requirement necessary for Salvation (Mark 16:16).

                This example of mercy and of grace by God allows for a nurse to witness the Salvation message to a dying patient who is waiting for surgery on a hospital trolley. If the patent accepts Christ on the basis of Romans 10:9-10 then he or she will go directly to Heaven by grace and faith alone – NO WORKS necessary if they die in surgery!

                However, for Christians who live many years beyond the day they accepted Jesus Christ and their Lord and Savior – but have done NOTHING towards preaching the Gospel to save souls (basic ‘works’ that bring spiritual fruit unto God the Father – John 15:1-8) by preferring to live life as they used to; such Christians will have squandered their Salvation. This is because Christ requires “workers in the harvest fields” to save souls out of Satan’s kingdom. Obviously, Satan send his “preachers of righteousness” (2 Cor 11:14-15) into today’s modern churches to preach “Once Saved Always Saved”. They do this so that those of God’s people who believe their lies fail to do any of the required “works” that produce the “fruit unto God” that He inspects each ‘branch’ for:

                “I [Jesus] am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me [meaning every Christian] THAT BEARETH NOT FRUIT he [God the Father] taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit…6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch [after being pruned from The Vine], and is withered [spiritually]; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned [in the Lake of Fire with ALL other unbelievers].” (John 15:1-2, 6)

                That is how Jesus sees “fruitless Christians who fail to join in to help with His harvest of lost souls in this world.

                ” Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest. 36 And he that reapeth receiveth wages [AFTER the Rapture], and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together.” (John 4:35-36)

                I hope this answers your question, Nyasha.

                Blessings, Alan

          2. Good response.

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16. Thanks for this inspiration and teaching. God bless you.

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    1. Thanks you God bless you to add more so that we learns God his word and have strong Faith and salvation in the least day

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       1. Thank you for your gracious comments, Emmanuel. You might care to view may latest Bible study teaching titled Daniel’s Seventy Weeks that can be found at https://youtu.be/fBFna27j3WA.

          Blessings! Alan

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17. Hello Allan. I came across this site rather by chance. Or perhaps not. My name is Sherie Bon and I am from the island o Trinidad, in the Caribbean. I am totally enjoying this discourse and I hope to utilize the information and share with others as best I could. I I have future questions I would be sure to ask.

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    1. Hello Sherie – thank you for taking the time to post a comment. You are not the first Christian to contact me from Trinidad. Your island must be a very spiritual place.

       Yes, please share my blog and my videos with others you know, as we are living in the end of the end-times and Christians need to be aware of their spiritual position before the end comes!

       I strongly suggest you continue to read all of the articles on my blog. In this, I highly recommend the series on Spirit, Soul and Body and then check out What Your Pastor Never Taught You about Water Baptism. All of this teaching should be preached in the churches – but isn’t.

       Also, go to my YouTube channel and check out the 20 videos I have listed under the ‘Video’ tab where you will see these topics recorded on a live online Bible study. I am adding a video almost every week. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCg0vqaldEAN0zEgWnSmeOCg/videos

       Blessings Sherie! Alan

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    2. Am really blessed to since I have gone through the topic and it’s very wonderful am greatful since I have seen some of the verses that I have been looking for sometime now. And I will be one of the people to share this massage the gospel to others. I viewd the massage through King James bible app it was sent as adds
       My name is Levison Saidi from Malawi

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       1. Dear Levison,

          Thank you for taking the time to write what you did. It is most encouraging to me.

          If you want more of my teaching, I suggest you continue to read all of the articles on my blog. I highly recommend the 6-part series on Spirit, Soul and Body and then check out What Your Pastor Never Taught You about Water Baptism.

          Also, go to my YouTube channel and check out the 20+ videos I have listed under the ‘Video’ tab. I am adding a video almost every week. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCg0vqaldEAN0zEgWnSmeOCg/videos

          Blessings! Alan

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          1. TO GOD BE THE GLORY! AMEN!

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    3. Thanks for this inspiration and teaching. God bless you.

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    4. Hi name is petra I enjoy the topic and thw scripture to go to and look up am learning to be a more effective Christian.

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    1. lS a blessing to me when l read your teaching and l would like get intaugh with this kid of teaching Mr ALan Manson
       May GOD BLESS you.

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       1. Dear Pastor Johanna,

          Thank you so much for your kind comments. Much appreciated.

          Firstly, I suggest you continue to read all of the articles on my blog. The highly recommend the 6-part series on Spirit, Soul and Body and then check out What Your Pastor Never Taught You about Water Baptism.

          Also, go to my YouTube channel and check out the 20 videos I have listed under the ‘Video’ tab. I am adding a video almost every week. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCg0vqaldEAN0zEgWnSmeOCg/videos

          Blessings! Alan

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    2. Happy sabbath

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    3. Thank God and thank you for The Eye opener Message. Praying for the Body of Christ to understand it and follow.

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19. Hello, Alan Manson my names Kelly and let me tell you, this was God speaking to me through this right here, I thank God for you, this has truly answered my questions. Questions about really finding Christ. Once i again i thank God for and i ask that he blesses you and your family, blessings from my leaping spirit.

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    1. Hello Kelly – God bless you for taking the time to comment!

       Yes, God is blessing me in this ministry, because there are more people like yourself coming to realize that the Bible contains far more requirements for Salvation that any of today’s preachers will acknowledge.

       Keep STRIVING to get into God’s kingdom Kelly. Jesus will be there helping you all the way. Keep in touch.

       Blessings to you too! Alan

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       1. Hello brother! In jesus name i was so happy to read your article, its gave me to fully understand how to be a birn again christians, i am facing now a spiritual battle. Please continue doing this to encourage other christiams

          Godbless you!

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          1. I want to comment on all but I will not. But I will say being a Christian is believing in Christ, and he is not encouraging a Christian he is discouraging Christians believing in the Prince of Peace it’s the understating of his sacrifice for us, his love and our love for him drives us to want to share his message of love. Do greater works then GOD, so nobody is going to Heaven then, Unless a Cardinal or a Bishop has healed the sick , split the sea,.walked on water, produced fish, bread , wine . Those who believe in me shall never be thirsty, unless you haven’t finish your works, then better luck next time? Too bad you were just so close, almost a runner up. No one is sinless, and Jesus knows that, that is why he scarified himself for his children. He warned of fake prophets in his name., truying to change hiw message..You will reap what you sow……the greater the works, the greater the reward. You have not done enough, what constitutes as enough? is it ever enough? Or will there always be a little voice telling you thats not enough, you will not make it in time, Your not going to do enough, you think thats enough, you’ll never do enough, you’ll never be enough , you are nothing. My as well give up, here come with me let’s go have some fun and some fruit.Us Christians , was This God making this remark? every reference of added works from the Romans cannot be verified 100%It was contemplated and ultimately determined that faith alone will not motivate man. If Jesus is Jewish from Nazareth, how did the holy land get to Rome? why would yhe Vatican ban the jewish. people, the chosen people. Why does the Vatican praise Marie, and not God himself, Didn’y Jesus say not to idol statues, to pray directly to him. why is it that peoplle are confused between christians and Roman Catholics. why do I need to pray to someone else to get my prayer to Jesus. Why do need to gather for mass at the church , to feel closer to you. I thought you wanted us to gather in mass under your name in the temple. the temple we hold in our hearts Conditional salvation, does that mean he conditionally loves me? Did you know that if you open your heart and learn his life , his sacrifices you’ll understand his love for you. the love you’ll have for him binds you through the holy spirit. And that his love has no limits, no conditions , no ulterior motives and no strings attached., Being a Christian is not a religion, its believing in him as Christ , believing he died for our sins and those who believe are saved. the narrative has never changed been altered , revised , updated to fit with the times and has been 100% been authenticated. He warns that we should be ready for his return and what to watch for.

             Alan you are obvioiusly not a Christian, so which religion are you preaching?

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             1. Dear Pascale,

                I was saddened to read your somewhat ‘angry’ response to my article on Initial and Final Salvation. I established this blog to not only share what Jesus has shown me in the scriptures over many years, but with the aim to help others come to understand there is more to Salvation than simply ‘believing’ and to allow them to discuss issues here in an open forum.

                The dividing line between us is epitomized in your statement below – which most other Christians who visit this blog would also find a very strange statement indeed:

                “Alan you are obvioiusly not a Christian, so which religion are you preaching?“

                My response to your question is this.

                I have read and studied the King James Bible for 30-years. In 1990, I had a ‘born-again experience’ (John 3:3) that changed my life forever. I have been a totally changed man since meeting Jesus Christ three decades ago.

                I have visited countless churches trying to find like-minded Bible-believing Christians; however, thas been my biggest headache over the years.

                In this, Jesus has shown me that many so-called ‘Christians’ prefer to believe what their pastors or clergy tell them – rather than seeking out the truths of the matter for themselves by asking God to help them (John 6:45). By doing this, Christians today prefer to accept whatever their leaders tell them instead of Biblical truth – because the lies from the pulpits provide assurance of salvation and ‘false love’, rather than the rejection, hatred and persecution that Christ said “His sheep” should expect if they “take up the cross Christ has for them and follow Him”

                “And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, LET HIM DENY HIMSELF, and TAKE UP HIS CROSS, and FOLLOW ME.” (Mark 8:34)

                “Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. IF THEY HAVE PERSECUTED ME, THEY WILL PERSECUTE YOU.” (John 15:20)

                “And YE SHALL BE HATED OF ALL MEN for my name’s sake: but HE THAT SHALL ENDURE TO THE END, THE SAME SHALL BE SAVED.” (Mark 13:13)

                The difference between us appears – that if I quote the words of Jesus Christ in my articles that you (who professes to be a ‘Christian’) don’t like, and you then demand me to reveal “…so which religion are you preaching?” – I say thanks for the rejection. You have just fulfilled in me the words of Jesus Christ stated above.

                In response to the question, all I can say is that I am a Bible-based Christian who follows my Savior wherever He directs me to go. My faith is in the words of Christ that has seen me lose the things that I treasured most back then (Phil 3:8); however Jesus replaced them all AND MORE with better things that I could never have imagined. His words are TRUTH and they can be believed, as they are life-changing!

                So my point here is this. My faith is rooted in the scriptures and what they reveal as TRUTH (John 17:17 – Jesus speaking). I have proven many things stated in scripture to be truth. This is because I have been “born-again” – because Christians who are NOT “born-again” cannot see the things God requires them to see (John 3:3).

                “And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.” (John 9:39)

                Despite our differences, thank you for your comments. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree, Pascale.

                Blessings, Alan

20. Way cool! Some very valid points! I appreciate you penning this write-up and also the rest of the site is very good.

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21. Hello brother Alan I watched the video about your initial salvation blog. I loved it but i have few things to say to you if you don’t mind
    (Note: I am not denying that your blog is inaccurate but rather it is based on truth which is hard to digest for many including me unfortunately)

    1:Bible says that Holy spirit is given immediately after people are baptized.
    Which will help to produce good fruit
    2:it is not necessary that fruits of spirit are speaking in tongues and healing the sick and casting out demons and doing miracles i am not denying that those are not fruits of spirit but I am saying that Holy spirit works differently in everyone
    3:after we recieve the gift of God the Holy spirit we are born again but that does not mean that we will never sin again this is beyond what is possible for our human nature to do but rather we will sin way more less we will only stop sinning when we will receive resurrected bodies
    To be honest I don’t believe in once save always save thing because I believe as you said in the blog that fruits and works are required to achieved salvation indeed
    You also said that only few will be saved in your other blog called rapture I want to say please don’t say this rather leave the Judgment on God and Jesus alone but rather let us all pray that all will be saved through Christ our Lord and saviour Amen.

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    1. Hello brother Eshall – thank you for your comments. Much appreciated.

       Your point 1 says, “…Holy spirit is given immediately after people are baptized”.

       Comment: The Holy Spirit is continually working in unsaved and saved people to ensure that as many as possible will come into God’s kingdom. Naturally, it is Satan’s plan to prevent that from happening – so we have two major spiritual forces working within us using TRUTH and LIES in which to sway us towards their way of thinking. This is why the BIBLE provides the ONLY safe means to navigate through the lies and deceptions about today – especially in the churches with Once Saved, Always Saved doctrine.

       In my diagram below, that although not shown, the points between Initial Salvation and the New Birth is where EVERY CHRISTIAN must STRIVE TO ENTER IN – as Jesus plainly stated!

       “STRIVE TO ENTER IN at the strait gate: for MANY [Christians], I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” (Luke 13:24)

       

       If Christians prefer to embrace the Once Saved, Always Saved lie, they won’t have thee truly ‘born-again’ experience needed for Salvation (John 3:3-8). Every Christian needs that to happen before the Holy Spirit can impart the spiritual gifts that enables them to bring forth the required “fruit” into God’s kingdom.

       God the Holy Spirit does not hand out His ‘gifts’ to anyone who is ‘religious’ (or still of flesh and blood) simply because of this verse of scripture:

       “Now this I say, brethren, that FLESH AND BLOOD cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.” (1 Cor 15:50)

       Your point 2 says: “….it is not necessary that fruits of spirit are speaking in tongues and healing the sick…”

       Comment: If you picked up a glass jar and observed if there was something inside – that is how people (Saved or Unsaved) detect the presence of the Holy Spirit inside Christians – which is by the spiritual “fruit” they produce as a “tree” planted on God’s kingdom (Mark 8:23-25; Luke 13:6-9).

       In other words, in your unsaved state, you may have used foul language, stolen other people’s property, told many lies, committed fornication, etc. etc. In your new ‘born-gain’ life in Christ, what you once represented inside the jar has been replaced with “love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance” (Gal 5:22-23) and “goodness, righteousness and truth” (Eph 5:9). Notice the double-portion of “goodness” mentioned here.

       The above “fruits” represent the presence of the Holy Spirit’s indwelling presence in the ‘New Man in Christ Jesus’ for others to observe. In contrast to this, the “fruits” God requires being brought into His kingdom are the lost souls in this world – of ALL nations. This ONLY comes about through the preaching of the Gospel.

       Your question 3 says: “…after we recieve the gift of God the Holy spirit…that does not mean that we will never sin again…”

       If a Christian wants to retain the Holy Spirit’s presence within them, he or she MUST stop sinning!! If the Christian refuses to stop their sinning, the Holy Spirit is very likely to depart from them. If He does, another (evil) spirit from God will take His place. This is what happened to King Saul:

       “But the Spirit of the Lord DEPARTED FROM SAUL, and AN EVIL SPIRIT FROM THE LORD troubled him.” (1 Samuel 16:14)

       ANYONE can choose to keep sinning or to stop sinning. God knows this and Satan knows this. If God’s people choose to keep sinning, then the Bible says they love death, and this will eventually lead to eternal death in the Lake of Fire.

       “But HE THAT SINNETH AGAINST ME wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me [the wisdom and truth of the Holy Spirit] LOVE DEATH.” (Proverbs 8:36)

       Scripture is very clear that ALL those who sin are of their spiritual father – the Devil!

       “HE THAT COMMITTETH SIN IS OF THE DEVIL; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.” (1 John 3:8)

       “And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.” (John 3:19-21)

       
       If you have some time to watch videos, I suggest you watch the 6 parts on my teaching as to how our spiritual organs inside of us function. Everyone (including non-Christians) need to understand this teaching as it is fundamental as to WHY we are placed on the Earth.

       Also, I urge you to first watch the video on Water Baptism. Every Christian needs to watch this, as many have unknowingly signed a contract with God AT THEIR WATER BAPTISM that they will fail to keep the terms of and therefore void these terms as stated in the scriptures. I do encourage you to view this 57 minute long video Eshall.

       Blessings Brother!

       Alan

       Spirit, Soul and Body:
       Part 1 – https://youtu.be/zpP-U7C-ncw Inner and Outer Man
       Part 2 – https://youtu.be/nBmCdo1ccRA The MIND
       Part 3 – https://youtu.be/_TTZ-MLJtjM The HEART
       Part 4 – https://youtu.be/0RJ_4s41lEQ Our SPIRIT
       Part 5: https://youtu.be/I9r72dtD6SQ Evil Spirits
       Part 6: https://youtu.be/Enz7-fGMSrA How God communicates with and monitors our Inner Man
       Water Baptism: https://youtu.be/SM0VBmYt25s

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       1. Dear sir, I have just come in touch with your teaching and it has prompted me to see how l can take opportunity to go through all your teachings.
          I look forward to hear from you.

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          1. Dear Peter,

             Thank you so much for your kind comments. Much appreciated.

             Firstly, I suggest you continue to read all of the articles on my blog. I highly recommend the 6-part series on Spirit, Soul and Body and then check out What Your Pastor Never Taught You about Water Baptism.

             Also, go to my YouTube channel and check out the 20 videos I have listed under the ‘Video’ tab. I am adding a video almost every week. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCg0vqaldEAN0zEgWnSmeOCg/videos

             Blessings! Alan

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       2. Does the work of Jesus not enough to make salvation possible?

          Are we need to work to receive salvation ?
          Or are we working out because we are saved by God and gave us His Holy Spirit so we can do what are pleasing to Him?

          Because those two ideas are different?

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          1. “Anonymous” – you have asked these questions before. I am not going to allow you to waste my time repeating the same answers. If you aren’t the same “Anonymous” as before, then BE REAL by putting your name to posts. Stop hiding behind “Anonymous” as this makes others conclude you are fearful at least and probably a troll at worst.

             Revelation 21:8
             “But THE FEARFUL, and UNBELIEVING, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”

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          2. To “Anonymous”

             I have no idea if you are the same person who writes these types of questions simply to waste my time. The questions you ask have been fully answered in my article https://mygospel.info/initial-and-final-salvation/. If you cannot understand or comprehend what has been written then say so.

             It is VERY clear from the scriptures that EVERY CHHRISTIAN has to “endure to the end of our salvation to be saved” (Matt 10:22). This means your Salvation journey in this life has a beginning and an end. It commences with a child-like faith (Rom 10:9-10; and Mark 16:16) and has to end in a form of fully-matured faith through trials, testings, persecutions, rejections, hatred, etc. that produce “works of faith that can move mountains. ” (Matt 17:20)

             Jesus plainly stated that “He that believeth on me, THE WORKS that I do shall he do also; and GREATER WORKS THAN THESE shall he do; because I go unto my Father.” (Matt 17:20).

             If you can’t accept these words of Jesus Christ as they are plainly stated — but prefer to reject them to maintain the false gospel that you prefer to believe, then so be it.

             You own blood will be on your own hands and not mine.

             “When I say unto THE WICKED [Christian who is in unbelief – Rom 14:23], Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, HE SHALL DIE IN HIS INIQUITY; but thou hast delivered thy soul.” (Ezek 3:18-19)

             You should be working out your own salvation in fear and trembling that you might lose it ‘Anonymous’ (Phil 2:12) instead of playing games with me on this matter.

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       3. Praise the Lord, I am John from India, I came to know about this site when I read wycliffe bible. It’s very helpful for me. Thank you God bless you.

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          1. Hello John – welcome to my blog.

             I am doing an online Bible study each week that I record and then post on my YouTube channel.

             I suggest that you watch these presentations, as they provide a deeper insight into what the Bible actually teaches, – together with the HOPE that we all need in these dark spiritual days. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCg0vqaldEAN0zEgWnSmeOCg/videos?view_as=subscriber

             “Wherefore comfort one another with these words.” (1 Thes 4:15-18)

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    2. I like what you said
       You are telling lies but i believe it.
       Thank u

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    3. Hello I think you have confused fruits with spiritual gifts, the gifts are what help you bear spiritual fruits, but you can’t have the spiritual gifts if you’re not working! as you work, your faith is aligned to the will of God, hence character also begins to change, when you read Revelations 7 the Bible says and many who where like sand where saved!

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    4. in another sense, who among you doesn’t have a parent? impossible..so those who claim or are pronounced children of God are His FOREVER. and will remain as his child no matter what his character is.
       and in another instance..the thief beside Jesus on the cross believed and trusted Jesus as his personal savior..that was only what he did despite his being nailed so he hasn’t got any good works
       thank you

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       1. Hi Michael – thanks for taking the time to comment.

          In response to your comments I say this:

          Firstly, to have a “parent”, one has to have experienced a “birth” – natural or spiritual. Not every Christian has experienced the New Birth, as most who claim to be “born-again” cannot explain what they “SAW” when they supposedly “entered into God’s kingdom” at their “birth”. In this, Jesus said to Nicodemus:

          “…Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he CANNOT SEE the kingdom of God” (V3)

          Therefore, if any ‘Christian’ has been truly “born-again”, he or she MUST be able to report back on what they saw.

          Also, verse 8 identifies the behavior of a truly “born-again” Christian:

          “The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: SO IS EVERY ONE that is born of the Spirit.”

          How many Christians do you know whose life is like that of the wind as described above? How many know how to explain what these words of Jesus actually mean?

          In this, I encourage you to read my article on the New Birth that Jesus spoke about in John 3:3-8, as my point here is that the Holy Spirit will never leave the true “sons of God” who have first “heard and believed the True Gospel” (Eph 1:13); become spiritually “born-again” (John 3:3-8); and to then “walk in the spirit” (Rom 8:1). This is necessary to produce “spiritual fruit” for God the Father (John 15:1-8) by Christians performing “good works” (Matt 5:16) that involve the exercise of the “gifts of the Spirit” (1 Cor 12:1-14) so as to enable “God the Father’s will” to be performed (Matt 12:50). Unless these conditions are met, there is no Salvation.

          https://mygospel.info/the-new-birth/

          Secondly, you refer to the Thief on the Cross to justify a Christian not having any “works” to be Saved. A modern day example of this is when a patient on a hospital trolley is told about Jesus Christ and the need to become ‘Saved’ by a faithful servant of Christ’s – say a nurse. If the patient accepts Christ as his or her Savior – and then dies on the operating table, he or she goes to Paradise in Heaven, just as the Thief on the Cross went to Paradise in Hell with Christ when he died.

          My point here is that ALL other Christians who have lived on beyond the day they initially accepted Christ as their Savior are required by God to become “labourers together with God” (1 Cor 3:9) so as to “bring in the harvest” of lost souls into God’s kingdom (Luke 10:2). This represents the “spiritual fruit” God requires to see in His kingdom (John 15:1-2 and John 15:6).

          If the “labourers” refuse to “work”, Jesus said they will be referred to as “a ONE Talent Christian” who hid his faith and buried it within himself so that most unsaved people never knew he was a “Christian”. Jesus then says what will happen to such Christians at the Great White Throne Judgment (Rev 20:11). In this, Jesus will say:

          “Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed: 25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine. 26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed: 27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury. 28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents. 29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. 30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (Matt 25:24-30)

          Michael, if you don’t want the above words said to you by Jesus, I suggest you undertake a diligent search to ascertain whether the ‘gospel’ you have believed will actually Save you. As it fails the test so far, I urge you to read all of the articles I have posted on this blog and also check out my YouTube videos that will help you in this matter. I am happy to answer any questions you may have.

          Also, go to my YouTube channel and check out the 20+ videos I have listed under the ‘Video’ tab. I am adding a video of Bible study teaching almost every week.

          https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCg0vqaldEAN0zEgWnSmeOCg/videos

          I will be praying for you, Michael.

          Blessings, Alan

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22. The fruit of a genuine acceptance of Christ is good works,a proof of being saved. Accepting Christ, gives us the fruit of the Holy Spirit and that brings us good works…
    A fake acceptance will not produce good works or probably he/ she will still be working for salvation, while genuine acceptance is a result of true faith..
    Making good works for salvation means, Christ dying on the cross was not enough so a man needs to do a little work to be saved….wow…not in conformity with your statement s…

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    1. Yes, it’s exactly true.

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23. i have learn do much from your teachings.May God bless you.

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    1. You are most welcome Norman.

       I encourage you to read my articles and possibly view my YouTube presentations related to the spiritual ‘organs’ we each have inside of us termed our MIND, our SOUL and our HEART and the way God speaks to us via our SPIRIT in the topics of Spirit, Soul and Body.

       https://mygospel.info/spirit-soul-and-body-the-inner-and-outer-man/

       Let me know what you think, Norman.

       Blessings!

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24. Hi Allen
    Thank you for facilitating this debate. Have just joined in, and hope that it does not degenerate to empty arguments. Have followed your line of thinking regarding the initial and final salvation and the involvement of works in the equation.
    Please explain to me what the Apostle Paul means in Ephesians 2:8 “For it is by grace that you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no can boast.
    John 1:12 says “Yet to all who did recieve Him, to, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God.
    Please also read and explain Roman 4 : 1 – 8
    What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter? If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works: “Blessed are those whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered. Blessed is the one whose sin the Lord will never count against them.”

    And lastly Roman 8 : 1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus”

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    1. Hi Jeff – thanks for your contribution.

       Firstly, God’s grace allows us to be in error or to have become offensive towards Him that under normal circumstances would attract His wrath – but His grace prevents that from happening. However, Gal 2:21 warns Christians to NOT frustrate God’s grace otherwise His wrath and His judgment will follow.

       Some Christians are good at quoting Ephesians 2:8-9 about grace, but they stop there because the following verse that refers to “works” says this:

       “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus UNTO GOOD WORKS, which God hath before ordained THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM.” (Eph 2:8-10)

       The Apostle James also reaffirmed that “works” are essential for Salvation in James 2:26. Therefore, I don’t intend to bring forth a long thesis about “works” being required for Salvation when this has been clearly discussed in my post above.

       In response to your query on Romans 4:1–8, these verses relate to Abraham when he first met God – and prior to him having to offer up Isaac as a sacrificial offering. In this, God told Abraham to do this to his son, so Abraham in FAITH ONLY did what God told him to do – no “works” involved. Once God witnessed the faithfulness of Abraham in obeying His command, God not only provided an alternative sacrifice in the bushes, but He blessed Abraham and called him “the Friend of God”.

       “Was not Abraham our father justified by WORKS, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou how FAITH WROUGHT WITH HIS WORKS, and BY WORKS WAS FAITH MADE PERFECT? 23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called THE FRIEND OF GOD. 24 Ye see then how THAT BY WORKS A MAN IS JUSTIFIED, AND NOT BY FAITH ONLY. 25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD [faith] also.” (James 2:21-26)

       In your remaining comments, you try to justify “faith without works” as being just as acceptable for Salvation as to the necessary “works” mentioned above. You can theorize about the scriptures as much as you like, but the reality is that Jesus seeks for willing labourers to serve Him in His vineyard – some of which will work ALL day for just a “penny”; and others who will “work” for the last hour of the day for the same “penny”:

       “For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard. 2 And when he had agreed with the labourers for A PENNY A DAY, he sent them into his vineyard.” (Matt 20:1-2)

       “And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny. 10 But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny. 11 And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house, 12 Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day” (Matt 20:9-12)

       The point here is that Christ seeks for “labourers” (without wages) who are prepared to perform “work” that produces a “harvest” being brought into His kingdom. If those who like to be called by His name refuse to perform any “work” because they have a theological belief that what Christ is saying means something different, then feel free to believe whatever you like, Jeff. God gives every man the freedom to believe whatever they like.

       As for me, I love “labouring” in Christ’s kingdom. It has been an absolute joy since becoming a “fisher of men’s souls” (Matt 4:19) for Jesus. You should try it sometime Jeff. If you don’t enjoy “fishing:”, then Christ provides “wheat harvesting” (Matt 3:12) as an alternative.

       Christians have to realize that when the Rapture occurs, it is only those “good and faithful servants” of Christ’s who will be in that glorious company. This has been decreed in the Bible so that the results of their “works” can be passed through the flames to determine the rewards Christ will give them:

       “His lord said unto him, Well done, THOU GOOD AND FAITHFUL SERVANT: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.” (Matthew 25:21)

       “Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 EVERY MAN’S WORK WILL BE MADE MANIFEST: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and THE FIRE SHALL TRY EVERY MAN’S WORK OF WHAT SORT IT IS. 14 If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.” (1 Cor 3:12-15)

       It MUST be pointed out here that to get into Heaven to have one’s “works” passed through the flames, one must have performed “work” while on the earth to have their works judged for a reward. NO WORK means NO ENTRY INTO HEAVEN at the Rapture TO HAVE THE WORKS JUDGED!

       On the other hand, for those Christians whom Christ has called into serving Him but prefer to “bury their talents in the earth” through fear of sharing their faith with others – this is what Christ will say to them at the Great White Throne Judgment (Rev 20:11):

       “Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed: 25 And I was AFRAID [of sharing my faith], and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.

       26 His lord answered and said unto him, THOU WICKED AND SLOTHFUL SERVANT, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed: 27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury. 28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents. 29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath [meaning, to forfeit their Salvation]. 30 And cast ye THE UNPROFITABLE SERVANT into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (Matt 25:24-30)

       We either believe these warnings about Christians failing to produce “work” for Christ, or we don’t, Jeff. God gives every Christian their free will choice to believe or not believe.

       Finally, you quote Rom 8:1 but conveniently leave off the CONDITION attached to it that ensures there is “no condemnation. In this, the King James Bible says:

       “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” (Rom 8:1)

       I suggest you read some of my other articles to appreciate what “walking in the Spirit” really means. I hope this answers your questions, Jeff.

       Blessings.

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    2. Good response.

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       1. Thanks for taking the time to read my response Michael.

          Blessings, Alan

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25. Hello sir, I am Among from India.First of all, I thank Lord Jesus for letting me encounter/know you. I have just gone through the various comments and your teachings. Even though I am a believer of Christ,yet I still had many confusions of the biblical teachings but now I am able to understand and clarify my doubts. Thank you sir.. you are and will be a blessing to many like me around the world. I would be grateful again sir if you help me by specifying more about the first resurrection, the next phase of the first resurrection about which I came through in one of your responses and finally about the second resurrection. Thank you.

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    1. Dear Among – thank you so much for your comments and especially your question. All praise and glory to Jesus! My answer to your question is this.

       There are TWO Resurrections that occur 1,000-years apart:

       1. THE FIRST RESURRECTION has six parts to it. It is God’s way of caring for those of His people who have served Him faithfully during their lifetime on Earth.

       a. Christ the First-fruits of the Resurrection (1 Cor 15:20, 23).
       b. The Old Testament Saints (Matt 27:52-53)
       c. The New Testament (born-again) Saints (1 Thes 4:15-18)
       d. The 144,000 Jewish “Manchild” (Rev 12:1-5)
       e. The Tribulation Saints (Rev 6:9-11)
       f. The Two Witnesses (Rev 11:7-12)

       2. THE SECOND RESURRECTION

       This occurs some 1,000-years after the First Resurrection.

       It is the resurrection of the unjust, wicked and Christ-rejecting individuals who have lived since the days of Cain and Abel. It also includes multitudes of Christians (over the past 2,000-years) who have been deceived by Satan and his “ministers of righteous” preaching false doctrines in the pulpits (2 Cor 11:14-15).

       The reference to the “thousand years” time period between the two resurrections refers to the millennial reign of Jesus Christ taking place first as Him being King of kings and Lord of lords after He establishes His kingdom and His throne in Jerusalem at the end of the Tribulation period.

       (Rev 20:6) “Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the FIRST RESURRECTION: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him A THOUSAND YEARS.”

       After this period ends, Satan is “loosed” from his prison in the Bottomless Pit and another rebellion takes place on the Earth. It is here that Christ then casts him and those who rebelled into the Lake of Fire with the Antichrist and the False Prophet (Rev 20:10).

       The Second Resurrection then takes place prior to His saints living with Christ in the New Jerusalem with God the Father. All of what I have said is written in the scripture verses of Rev 20: 5-15 below.

       “But the rest of the dead [the sinners in Hell] lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

       6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in THE FIRST RESURRECTION: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him A THOUSAND YEARS.

       7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

       8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

       9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about [Christ’s Jerusalem in the Millennium], and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

       10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

       11 And I saw a GREAT WHITE THRONE, and him [Jesus Christ] that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

       12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books [of each person] were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

       13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

       14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

       15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.” (Rev 20: 5-15)

       I hope this answers your question Among

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       1. Thank you sir for answering my questions and helping me clarify my doubts.

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26. Thank you thank you very much now I understand everything about salvation this information will benefit me thank you and God bless you.

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    1. Holle thank you these explanation is good and I think true because the faith without moral and good deeds is nothing to benefit others and attract them everyone loves faith but real faith which mixed with all good deeds without any harm , wrong,impoliteness, aggressive act, faith is a reality in soul of everyone but is hided so if someone is going to find the reality at end will be understood that his or her goal was the same faith was missed.the faith order and recommend to be kind with your parent and others,help weaknesses in mind and education ,poors …

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    2. I’m sorry but you need to pray and review your concept about “working out your salvation”. When Paul wrote this, he was speaking about believers, urging them to 1) keep the faith 2) do good 3) continue in prayer 4) go tell the gospel to others. These works are not to attain eternal life. We already have eternal life in Jesus our Yahshua. By His blood, body, and holy spirit.

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       1. Dear Pius – where you say,

          “We already have eternal life in Jesus our Yahshua. By His blood, body, and holy spirit.”

          what you are saying is that you are only relying on Initial Salvation to Save you, and that you are not compelled to do “good works” that the Bible defines as:

          “Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.” Matthew 10:8

          “And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
          18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.” Mark 16:17-18

          If we ignore the above commandments given by Jesus to His disciples, the question remains:

          • Do we love Jesus in the manner He requires?
          • If we fail to undertake the required “works” as “laborers in God’s kingdom” – how can we be considered worthy of a reward?

          “If ye love me, keep my commandments.” John 14:15

          “For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.” (James 2:26)

          “Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few; 38 Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.” Matt 9:37-38

          “Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. 14 If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.” 1 Cor 3:13-14

          Maybe you could comment on these points Pius?

          Blessings!

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          1. This is wonderful to know I was totally ignorant God bless you

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             1. Thank you for your comment Ruth, as it is encouraging.

                I feel like the message I am preaching is coming from “the voice of ONE crying in the wilderness” (Matt 3:3) but only a handful hear and or take the time to respond like you and others here.

                Please pass on links to my article to you family, friends and other Christians you know. Social media can be very helpful to do this.

                Blessings Ruth!

                Alan

    3. All praise and glory to Jesus Christ, Atang.

       Keep studying the scriptures to become “approved by God” for entry into Heaven!

       2 Timothy 2:15
       Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

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    4. Prithviraj mankar.kolhapur city maharashtra state.lndia. l read daily bible verses and spiritualy help for salvation. Eternal life. Preparing rapture andsecond coming of jesus christ thanks for this bible study and your plans

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27. Hello, my name is Lin Kel and I am in tears; after reviewing and listening to this site on “Initial and Final Salvation”. I was convicted to self-examine myself on my works and my faith, which in returned compelled me to bear more fruit.
    For years I taught in Sunday school, Mission, carried this message on my job etc., however, I wasn’t satisfied and felt the need to do more.
    After my trip to Jerusalem, I felt more compelled to do more in spreading this gospel. After listening to the steps on this video I have a broader understanding on bearing fruit by faith with works; for they both works together.
    I don’t want to stand at judgement and be told that I did not meet the criteria of “faith” with “works”! For we know that “harvest is plenteous but few laborers Matt 9:37. We must be a laborer bearing fruits via faith.
    I appreciate this powerful message and the vast amount of information that I can share with others. It is my prayer that it won’t fall on death ears!
    Thank you so much for sharing; for convicting my heart; for getting me on the right path: Please feel free to send me more information to help me and to share with others!
    Love it my brother & may God bless you!

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    1. Dear Sister Lin,

       It was a pleasure to meet you on Facebook and for us combine our understanding of the scriptures to tear down the arguments of the Sabbath Keepers. I felt very encouraged by your comments.

       It is now a great pleasure to read your comments since reading my blog articles. This is very encouraging, as most Christians visit once or twice and then move on.

       The world has now moved into a spiritually darker place since the virus panic commenced and this represents a BIG step closer to the Rapture.

       I believe it is time for Christians to re-evaluate what their faith represents by comparing the ‘gospel’ they have believed with what the Bible plainly states.

       “O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth…?” (Gal 3:1)

       If any Christian has believed a false gospel (as proven by the Bible), such individuals need to:

       1. CONFESS to Jesus (1 John 1:9) they have been deceived by Satan’s servants (the ‘hirelings in the pulpits – John 10:13),
       2. REPENT (Rom 2:4) from their laziness to discover such truth; to then bring forth the
       3. “FRUITS OF REPENTANCE” (Luke 3:8) say, by promoting this site and what it teaches to other Christians – while the internet remains online.

       God bless you Lin. I am looking forward to further conversations and online Bible studies with you.

       Your brother in Christ, Alan

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    2. Se você pode fazer ou deixar de fazer algo pra ser salvo, que Deus fraco é este ao qual você se entregou….

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28. Hi my name is Curtis Lezama I thank God for you and the opportunity to share in this truth. I am from the island of Trinidad in the Caribbean and there is a revival taking place in which many of these scriptural truths are being brought up and practiced. The Bride of Christ is making herself ready for his return. Thanks

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    1. Dear Curtis – you are the second Christian from Trinidad (that I know of) to place a comment on my blog.

       I had no idea that Paul’s Gospel of Initial and Final Salvation (Rom 2:16) had had any impact in the broader Christian community until now. PRAISE THE LORD for Him touching the hearts of those who love His words in Trinidad. I am experiencing unspeakable joy of hearing this news, Curtis!

       Please keep me informed as to how the revival is progressing. Please post any updated comments on this page so that others can experience this joy also.

       Many blessings to all your brothers and sisters in Christ in Trinidad. Alan

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29. Good article. I will be experiencing many of these issues as well..

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30. Well said. Keep it up, it’s edifying

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    1. May God bless you Kenneth and may Christ be glorified for the truth He has revealed in this teaching.

       Thanks you for taking the time to comment.

       Alan

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31. Thanks for your subject that is Initial and Final Salvation. God’s plan. It is so good and gave spiritual strength.

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    1. Dear Rev. Dr. Kumar,

       Thank you for taking the time to comment on this new teaching that you recognize is “God’s Plan”.

       I’m so pleased to learn it agreed with your understanding of scripture and that it has strengthened you. Praise the Lord! (Psalm 133:1-3)!

       We all need to be encouraged and strengthened in the days ahead (considering the Caronavirus outbreak world wide) while “Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.” (Eph 5:16).

       Blessings! Alan

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32. Dear Alan, I agree totally with ‘Faith without works is dead’ and everything else that you explained except when you mentioned that when we die we go straight to heaven. The bible clearly says that the dead are asleep in their graves awaiting Jesus’ return at His second coming to be resurrected either in the first resurrection (God’s people to eternal life) or the second resurrection (the others to eternal death). When the thief on the cross asked Jesus to remember him when He comes, Jesus responded to the thief by simply saying today,because of your faith, you can rest assured that you will be with me in Paradise (when He comes back to claim His own). God bless you and enlighten you as you continue to research the scriptures.
    Ps. And another thing it should be the ‘gospel of Jesus Christ’ not ours. Pleasant day brother.

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    1. Dear Eileen – thank you so much for your most welcome comments. May Jesus Christ be glorified throughout our discussion.

       Firstly, you said,

       “…you mentioned that when we die we go straight to heaven. The bible clearly says that the dead are asleep in their graves awaiting Jesus’ return at His second coming to be resurrected either in the first resurrection…”

       There are several scriptures that indicate that there is no-soul sleep mentioned in the Bible as you imply. The soul (and spirit) within each of us is eternal and live on throughout eternity. Once our corrupting or ageing bodies die (and can no longer sustain life – or they are killed), they go to their graves to return to dust (Eccl 12:7), but our “Inward Man” (2 Cor 4:16) that comprises our spirit and our soul goes to be with Jesus at death to await the First Resurrection – or to Hell, to await the Second resurrection and the Great White Throne Judgment (Rev 20:11).

       The scripture verses below prove that our Inward Man goes to Jesus IF we meet the conditions for Salvation as specified in the scriptures:

       “We are confident, I say, and willing [for the Inward Man] rather to be absent from the body [at death], and to be present with the Lord [immediately after and NOT waiting in the dust of the earth].” (2 Cor 5:8)

       “Let not your heart be troubled [about dying]: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father’s house are MANY MANSIONS: if it were not so, I [Jesus] would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.” (John 14:1-3)

       “And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. 43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, TODAY shalt thou be with me in paradise.” (Luke 23:42-44)

       In this last scripture quotation, Jesus is saying to the Penitent Thief “TODAY shalt thou be with me in paradise” (in the Lower parts of the earth – the Bosom of Abraham (Luke 16:20-31). After three full days and three full nights had passed and Jesus had been raised from the dead, He then placed His own shed blood at Calvary on the altar in Heaven as representing the one true sacrifice for sins – ONCE (Heb 9:12).

       After completing this High Priestly duty, He then returned and resurrected the Old Testament saints from their graves into their new, glorified, resurrected bodies (Matt 27:52-53) and Jesus took them to Heaven soon after to present them before our Heavenly Father as representing His triumph and victory over Sin, Satan and Death (Col 2:15)!

       Naturally, the Penitent Thief was there with the Old Testament saints in His glorified body also. Since then, ALL truly “born-again” Christians who have met the conditions for Salvation depart their bodies at death and remain as disembodied souls in their mansions in Heaven awaiting the resurrection of their bodies at the Rapture, which represents the next phase of the First Resurrection.

       If this scenario is not true Eileen, then where in scripture (using more than one scripture reference) does it plainly state that that the soul resides in the dust to await the resurrection?

       So, I hope this answers your question on where our ‘Inner Man’ goes to after our body dies.

       Also – I used the term “My Gospel” because it represents Paul’s Gospel (Romans 2:16) that I have resurrected from the scriptures, as it opposes what is preached throughout the churches today. In the literal sense it is NOT ‘My Gospel’, it is ‘Paul’s Gospel’. I hope that clarifies this point.

       Thanks for your questions and many blessings!

       Alan

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33. Hey i am really blessed..I don’t know how I got here I am illiterate when it comes to electronics. I just love the way you teach .God has blessed you with intelligence. I have a question. When God sent Jesus here to be born as a son of man, didn’t that mean that there was a slight possibility that Jesus could fall into sin.I don’t want to believe that Jesus Christ was just immune to fall to temptation that I think will make the prize He purchased me with reasonable as He would be not struggling to be human free of sin. The problem is I am not intelligent enough to prove my point with Bible texts. Help me out. What ever you say I will take it as counsel. Stay blessed.

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    1. Hi Nono – thanks so much for your post and for your comments.

       First up is your question:

       “When God sent Jesus here to be born as a son of man, didn’t that mean that there was a slight possibility that Jesus could fall into sin.”

       The short answer to your question is “Yes”. This is because Jesus was born under the Laws of Moses (handed down at Mt. Sinai – Lev 26:46) that are contained throughout the Book of Leviticus. No man (even Moses) was able to abide by them all (Numbers 20:10-12) and so this was another reason why God required a sacrificial animal at Passover to atone for the sins of the people every year (Heb 10:1).

       However, when Christ came to the Earth as a new-born baby, He came (at the First Coming) in the form of sinful flesh that exposed Him to all of the lusts, passions, desires in Him as every human often craves for.

       Throughout His 33-years on the Earth, Satan would have motivated many of his woman (slaves) to try to entice Christ to lust after them and to then follow this by encouraging the sexual act. A similar thing no doubt occurred with (say) the theft of small items and even to allow a ‘white lie’ to pass by unnoticed. Christ resisted ALL of these temptations and MORE, because He was on a mission to SAVE humanity from Hell – the place God created for the sinning angels and all of humanity who commit sin (2 Peter 2:4).

       We must also remember that Christ RE-created the Earth from its watery state of judgment depicted in Genesis 1:2 so as to do the “works” (Col 1:15-17) that He had seen His Father do and came to finish (John 5:36). If you don’t know these things, please take the time to read my 5 articles on The Generations of the Heavens and the Earth.

       In summary, Christ (as God) “humbled Himself” (Phil 2:8) to become a man and so exposed Himself to the weaknesses of human flesh for food, housing (Matt 8:20), sexual gratification and many other human weaknesses humanity suffers from daily – but He overcame them ALL. He was found BLAMELESS under the Law of Moses – a perfect man that no other man in recorded history was found blameless under the Law. This feature of being found ‘sinless’ then enabled Him to be called “The [perfect] Lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the world” (John 1:29).

       Prior to Christ commencing His ministry for the remaining three years of His life, He went on a forty day fast in the wilderness (Matt 4:1) to allow His body in its extreme weakness to crave food and water and so expose Himself to Satan’s final temptations – so there could be no doubt that Christ was fighting Satan on equal terms. As we know from the scripture, when Satan tempted Christ with his offers and dares, Christ responded each time with “It is written…” (Matt 4:4; Matt 4:7; Matt 4:10). It was in this way that Christ overcame Satan and has set the pattern of how Christ requires every Christian who refers to themselves as a Disciple of Jesus Christ to similarly OVERCOME Satan’s temptations to commit sin.

       “To him that OVERCOMETH [Satan’s temptations] will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I ALSO OVERCAME [Satan’s temptations], and am set down with my Father in his throne.” (Rev 3:21)

       “He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.” (1 John 3:8)

       When Jesus Christ was placed on the cross and the soldiers were hammering the nails into the palms of His hands and the ankles of His feet (John 20:25), the scripture says that He kept His mouth shut (Acts 8:32) – and not even a cry of the pain being experienced was heard from Him. He did this because He knew that if He accidentally cursed a soldier for doing his job, that Christ could have sinned and therefore forfeited all He had achieved over the previous 33-years.

       Does that answer your question, Nono?

       Finally you say, “The problem is I am not intelligent enough to prove my point with Bible texts.”

       In response I say you are far more “intelligent” than many other Christians I have encountered Nono – because you were bold and humble enough to write a comment and ask me a question. Your question also shows that you LOVE TRUTH! Simply loving TRUTH (2 Thess 2:10 – and whatever it reveals) demonstrates that you have the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit within you (John 16:13). Having His presence WITHIN YOU is worth far- far more than “intelligence” as you put it.

       In closing, I find most Christians today prefer what is called ‘Relative Truth’. This could also be termed ‘Convenient Truth’ because it means they will only accept whatever fits within their religious view of things. This is because their ‘convenient truths’ don’t relate to scripture – because they relate more to the doctrines and the traditions of men (Mark 7:9) rather than the truths of God (Psalm 31:5).

       Blessings, Nono.

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       1. Glory to God am blessed and kindly always share on my email

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    2. Hi bro Allan,

       I’m bro Edgar B. Villadolid from, Manila Philippines. I was blessed & convinced by your explanation on initial & final salvation. I gain a lot for this info..

       God bless you more & your mininstry. I hope you can send me topics/books about strengthening christian faith.

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       1. Dear Brother Edgar,

          Thank you so much for your kind comments. Much appreciated.

          Firstly, I suggest you continue to read all of the articles on my blog. I highly recommend the 6-part series on Spirit, Soul and Body and then check out ‘What Your Pastor Never Taught You about Water Baptism’.

          Also, go to my YouTube channel and check out the 20 videos I have listed under the ‘Video’ tab. I am adding a video almost every week. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCg0vqaldEAN0zEgWnSmeOCg/videos

          Blessings! Alan

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34. with regards to d 5 crowns. I mention in my coment. actually it is 3 crowns.. there is a repetition of 2. sorry!! but I am not a pastor. I am just part of my congregation. ok!! n d crowns… u can find them in 1… 1 corintians9:25 ( the incorruptible, and every man that strives for d mastery is temperate in all things. now they do it to obtain a corruptible, but we… an incorruptible crown. 2.. 2 Timothy 4: 7 ,8..I fought d good fight, I have finished my course, and I have kept d faith. v9 here after there is laid up for me a CROWN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS…. and 3.. james1:12.. blessed is d man that endures temptation, for when he is tried he shall recieve the crown of live.. so.. to obtain all those crown WORK is required. u will not obtain it for free… of course as usual u will give it a different interpretation. at your convenience. sorry!! and u said that ABRAHAM WAS TEMPTED BY GOD.. when asked to offer his son as a scrifice!!! let me correct u.. GOD NEVER, EVER TEMPT ANYONE..y?? because we will sin so… Satan do always tempt us. no denial. GOD TESTED ABRAHAM OF HIS FAITH AND LOVE. FOR GOD. y?? because he knew that Abraham was not going to let him down or left him in shame. likewise JOB, HE SHOWED Satan THAT JOB WAS NOT GOING TO PUT HIM TO SHAME.
    Job 1:8 and d Lord said unto satan, HAVE CONSIDERED MY SERVANT JOB….?.even though Job’s wife tried to tempt her husband, influenced by satan of course.. pardon me but I think I answered..u

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    1. Hello Jose’ – welcome back to the discussion.

       I am very grateful to you to bring up the topic of the number of “Crowns” awarded to the saints for faithful service.

       My little study that I have just completed has proven that there are in fact TEN Crowns mentioned in the scriptures and not just the three you referred to.

       Ten Crowns in Scripture

       1. Crown of honor (Proverbs 12:4; Proverbs 17:6; Esther 8:15; Job 19:9)
       2. Crown of kings (2 Samuel 12:30; Esther 1:11; Esther 2:17; Rev. 19:12-16)
       3. High Priest’s crown (Exodus 29:6)
       4. Crown of pride (Isaiah 28:1-5)
       5. Crown of thorns (Matthew 27:29; Mark 15:17; John 19:2-5)
       6. Crown of glory (1 Peter 5:4; Proverbs 4:9; Proverbs 16:31; Isaiah 62:3)
       7. Crown of righteousness (2 Tim. 4:8)
       8. Crown of life (James 1:12; Rev. 2:10)
       9. Incorruptible crown (1 Cor. 9:25)
       10. Soul winner’s crown (1 Thes. 2:19)

       Therefore I would assume that ‘born-again’ Christians through the “works” they produce in this life will inherit the following crowns extracted from the above list:

       • (1) Crown of honor (Proverbs 12:4; Proverbs 17:6; Esther 8:15; Job 19:9)
       • (2) Crown of kings (2 Samuel 12:30; Esther 1:11; Esther 2:17; Rev. 19:12-16)
       • (6) Crown of glory (1 Peter 5:4; Proverbs 4:9; Proverbs 16:31; Isaiah 62:3)
       • (7) Crown of righteousness (2 Tim. 4:8)
       • (8) Crown of life (James 1:12; Rev. 2:10)
       • (9) Incorruptible crown (1 Cor. 9:25)
       • (10) Soul winner’s crown (1 Thes. 2:19)

       What do you think about that Jose’? Does your head have the capacity to accommodate 7 crowns?

       Secondly, about your comments (that I made) where the scriptures say that “ABRAHAM WAS TEMPTED BY GOD”, this word is found in the verse below in the KJV Bible that I included in my quotation:

       “And it came to pass after these things, that GOD DID TEMPT Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am.” (Genesis 22:1)

       I appreciate that your comment “let me correct u.. GOD NEVER, EVER TEMPT ANYONE..y?? because we will sin so…”

       You are correct in saying this, as the Hebrew word “nacah” was translated as “tempt” in the KJV rather than “…to test, prove” as used in the scripture verses below as revealed in Strong’s Concordance.

       “Genesis 22:1
       a[tempt] Hebrew: nacah (HSN-5254), to test, prove. No inducement to sin is implied
       (Exodus 15:25; Exodus 16:4; Exodus 20:20; Deut. 8:2,16; 2 Samuel 22:31; 2 Chron.
       9:1; 2 Chron. 32:31; Psalm 26:2; Proverbs 17:3; Hebrews 11:17; 1 Peter 1:7; cp. James 1:12-13)”

       I hope my comments here have added to the conversation here Jose’. Thank you so much!

       Blessings! Alan

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       1. Hi. bro.ALLAN. your question was /Do my head have d Capacity to acomodate 7 crowns. well! that’s a good question!! d Bible literally use d word CROWNS
          but do it really mean Crowns!! this d way I take it. first of all not all saved will recieve d crowns. y?? because u will have those that when Christ will try our works he will use fire to test your work & there r some that their work will burnt completely. there will b lost but they will still b saved. ( I tried to look and remember where is that verse but I just can’t find it.) the Bible literally use so much crowns but is there anything impossible to GOD ? NO!! so he will make sure I will get all my crowns as long as I have worked for it… another example.. when so many people converted & received d HOLY SPIRIT. in d book of ACTS. did d Holy Spirit devided himself as he filled all d faithfuls? I am a Christian & u r 1. & we both have d Holy Spirit of GOD so..

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          1. Hello Jose’ – thanks for your comments and your questions. Below are my responses.

             First, you said:

             “…not all saved will recieve d crowns. y??”

             You are correct when you said “y??”. Jesus confirmed this when a disciple asked if only “FEW Christians will be saved?” In His response, Jesus warned His disciples to “STRIVE to enter into God’s kingdom, for many Christians will seek to enter in but shall not be able” (Luke 13:23-24)

             Second, you say:

             “…because u will have those that when Christ will try our works he will use fire to test your work & there r some that their work will burnt completely. there will b lost but they will still b saved.”

             What you are referring to is this passage of scripture:

             “Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is.” (1 Cor 3:13).

             My response is that Christians will NOT be (Finally) Saved, because they won’t be in Heaven to observe their “works” passing through the flames because Christ will have rejected them at the Rapture because of their failure to produce the required “fruit” unto God (John 15:5). If today’s Christians FAIL to undertake the required “works” that produce spiritual “fruit” which is produced from Jesus the Vine (John 15:1-2), then NO WORKS means NO SALVATION and therefore NO ENTRY into Heaven.

             PROOF:

             “Not every [professing Christian] one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 MANY [Christians left behind after the Rapture] will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done MANY WONDERFUL WORKS? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” (Matt 7:21-23)

             In addition to this, ALL spiritual Christians who are found worthy by Christ to be in the Rapture will have produced the necessary “works” that are equal to:

             • Gold
             • Silver
             • Precious stones
             • Wood
             • Hay
             • stubble (1 Cor 3:12-13)

             To provide a few examples of the “works” that equate to “wood, hay and stubble” in value; these could be:

             • visiting the poor, the sick and the homeless (James 1:27)
             • providing some form of care for them (Luke 10:33-37)
             • taking care of widows in the church (1 Tim 5:8-10)

             In other words, the above listed “works” would be regarded by the “flames” as being worthless. This means that God expects His people on the Earth to do these things without thinking about them. They should be a part of our Christian DNA as being the “sons of God” (Rom 8:14). If Christians don’t do them, can Jesus or God refer to such Christians as “sons of God”? Probably not.

             To provide a few examples of the “works” that equate to “gold, silver and precious stones” in value; these could be:

             • preaching the gospel to unsaved sinners in street ministry (Matt 24:14)
             • they shall “cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover” (Mark 16:17-18)
             • Join with other like-minded spiritual Christians (Rom 8:1) as spiritual members of the Body of Christ on Earth (1 Cor 12:4-27) to perform God’s will in destroying Satan’s kingdom (2 Timothy 2:3-4).

             If Christians falsely believe they will somehow enter into Heaven and become “saved from the flames” because of “faith ONLY” (and no works – 1 Cor 3:15), then he or she has another reality waiting for them. It means they have been deceived (Matt 24:4).

             You then referred to

             “If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire”

             This verse refers to the Christian who has “STRIVED to enter into God’s kingdom” (Luke 13:24) but has failed for some reason to produce the necessary “gold, silver or precious stones” works. In this, he (or she) would have visited the widows and the orphans and fed the poor so that their “wood, hay and stubble” works were burned up by the flames – yet their heart and their determination were enough to get them to that point. This is where the compassion, mercy and love of God is seen towards those who have a heart to truly love God, His Son Jesus Christ and the many truths contained in His word.

             Your Final Question:

             You made the following statement Jose’:

             “when so many people converted & received d HOLY SPIRIT. in d book of ACTS. did d Holy Spirit devided himself as he filled all d faithfuls?”

             The answer is “No” – He doesn’t “divide Himself”. The Holy Spirit first indwells anyone and everyone who confesses Jesus Christ as their Lord. This is termed being “Saved” (Rom 10:9-10; John 14:17).

             From this point onward, the Holy Spirit wants every new Christian to commence reading and studying the words that He wrote using the forty “holy men of God” over the past 3,500 years (2 Peter 1:21) to record His words in the Bible.

             For those Christians who fail to allow the Holy Spirit to reveal His truths to them, He will depart their bodies as He will see He is no longer wanted for the purpose in which He took up residence. After He leaves, another ‘religious’ spirit will take His place. This is usually termed the ‘Spirit of Error’ (1 John 4:6).

             Therefore, the Holy Spirit is known to be Omnipotent (all powerful), Omniscient (all knowing), and Omnipresent (present everywhere). He dwells where He is wanted and departs when He is not wanted. He will only associate with other false (or evil) spirits dwelling within a Christian IF He believes the Christian wants His help to overcome their lies and deceptions. If Christians have a “love of the truth” that He reveals to them (2 Thes 2:10), he or she will grow spiritually and ultimately can be used by Him to do God the Father’s will (Matt 7:21) and so bring glory to Christ.

             I hope this answers your questions, Jose’.

             Blessings!

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             1. Hi brother Allen!! This is Jose’Cal again!!! I went through your answer to my coments,– with regards to what d Bible says in 1Cor. 3:13 when d works of a believer is tried by FIRE and will burnt, my Bible says “it will burn, and there will b loss but yet d believer is SAVED”!!! & u, u as a Judge Ends up saying that NO EORKS, NO SALVATION, that he is not entering into Heaven, wel!! I am that person!! But will contradit your words, y ??? Because my AIM & GOAL is set!! I will go to Heaven regardless of what u say… I am SAVED by GRACE & FATH, & NOT OF MY DEEDS OK SO… C uin Heaven Brother n will shake your hand there.. ok..

             2. Hello Jose’ – it’s nice to know you haven’t forgotten me. 🙂

                In response to your comment I say this:

                Firstly, for Christians to get into the Rapture when it happens or into Heaven after they die – they MUST have been “a branch grafted into Jesus” that has produced MUCH spiritual “fruit” unto God the Father for that “branch” to remain “in Christ” and not pruned:

                “I [Jesus] am THE VINE, YE ARE THE BRANCHES: He that abideth in me, and I in him, THE SAME BRINGETH FORTH MUCH FRUIT: for without me ye can do nothing…EVERY BRANCH IN ME THAT BEARETH NOT FRUIT, HE [God the Father] TAKETH AWAY: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth MORE FRUIT.” (John 15:5, 2)

                As “fruit” that is produced by true “born-again” Christians “grafted into Jesus” can ONLY be produced by the use of the various “Gifts of the Spirit” that produce spiritual “works” that involve the Christian and the Holy Spirit – if this doesn’t happen, then Christians who have failed to produce such “fruit” become spiritually withered and die. Jesus said they are cast on the ground to await their eventual burning in the Lake of Fire:

                “If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and CAST THEM INTO THE FIRE, and they are burned.” (John 15:6)

                If we accept that Jesus tells the truth in these things, this means that ‘fruitless Christians’ will NOT be in the Rapture and will NOT be in Heaven after they die – simply because of their failure to produce the required “fruit” and the accompanying “works” needed to produce that fruit.

                For those 5 Talent Christians who produce much spiritual “fruit” for God the Father (Matt 25:16), their “works” they performed that produced this “fruit” are passed through the flames to determine whether they represent “gold, silver or precious stones” that will survive the flames; or whether they represent “wood, hay or stubble” that the flames will consume.

                “For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. 14 If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.” (1 Cor 3:11-14)

                For people who receive Initial Salvation on their hospital trolley deathbed, such people will enter Heaven at their death because of God’s grace, mercy and love, as any “works” they may have had that were passed through the flames means they will be “saved as by fire”:

                “If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.” (John 15:15)

                My point here is that if Christians fail to understand and accept the ONLY Gospel message that leads to eternal life with Christ (which is Initial and Final Salvation), then they have no salvation. Like Adam and Eve – they preferred to believe an easy-believism (false) ‘gospel’ that will eventually rob them of their Salvation RATHER than “STRIVE to enter into Christ’s kingdom…” (Luke 13:24) and then seeking the “gifts of the Holy Spirit” (1 Cor 12:4-8) so as to produce “spiritual fruit” unto God through doing “good works”:

                “This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that THEY WHICH HAVE BELIEVED IN GOD might be careful to MAINTAIN GOOD WORKS. These things are good and profitable unto men.” (Titus 3:8)

                “And let our’s also learn to MAINTAIN GOOD WORKS for necessary uses, THAT THEY BE NOT UNFRUITFUL.” (Titus 3:14)

                If you choose to reject these scripture verses together with the doctrine of Final Salvation as published here, then that is your free-willed choice, Jose’. God respects your will to choose or reject His words and so do I.

                I hope this explanation helps.

                Blessings, Jose’

35. I am sorry to contradict your teaching. but when Christ was on d point of dying his words was IT IS FINISHED. what does that mean?? it is complete. no need to add anything to d work that Christ performed on d cross… what did PAUL told d faithful when some false teachers filtered secretly into d congregati on in galatians when those false teacher were saying that for a complete salvation they néed To circumsize. .I LEFT U IN D SPIRIT AND NOW U R AGAIN IN D FLESH…conclusion no need of work for salvation. so there is no initiative nor final salvation. d work that a christian does after convertion is conditional… u will receive your reward after d rapture which is 5 CROWNS OK. in Hebrew chapter 11 d Bible says that Abraham was saved by faith and all d rest that r mentioned in that chapter. d theif that died with Christ didn’t had an initial nor final salvation. but he is in heaven that was Christ!s words and he will not have a second chance as d Jehova witresses claims so pardon me but I do not believe your teaching so u don’t need to answer my coment because it final…

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    1. Dear José,

       Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts about this topic. I have decided to respond because others reading your comments will wonder why I have not responded. So for what its worth, here are my comments to several of your claims.

       Firstly, you say:

       “…but when Christ was on d point of dying his words was IT IS FINISHED. what does that mean??”

       My response is that Jesus Christ came to the Earth to REDEEM IT from sin. In this, Christ’s birth, death and resurrection relates to “the corn of wheat falling into the ground, dying and then springing up again into new life”.

       ” Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
       25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.” (John 12:24-25)

       Please note that Jesus said in this parable that “…if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.” This statement is one of the basic principles that this blog preaches – that Christians MUST bring forth an abundance of spiritual fruit unto God during their lifetime on the Earth (John 15:5). Any failure to do so will see such Christians (as “branches”) pruned from Jesus Christ (“The Vine”) by God the Father and then cast aside to spiritually “whither” for later burning in the Lake of Fire (John 15:6).

       So, when Christ died on the cross and said these words “IT IS FINISHED”, He was saying that His purpose for coming to the Earth had been fulfilled. In this, He:

       • had defeated EVERY temptation to sin throughout His 33-years of life on the Earth as defined in the Law of Moses; (Heb 4:15)
       • Had defeated Satan’s personal temptations; (Matt 4:1-11)
       • had defeated death and Hell. (Rev 1:18)

       After having achieved such a victory, Christ’s final statement “IT IS FINISHED” is reflected that He no longer had to fight these issues. He had achieved all that he set out to do from His birth.

       Secondly, you said:

       “what did PAUL told d faithful when some false teachers filtered secretly into d congregati on in galatians when those false teacher were saying that for a complete salvation they néed To circumsize. .I LEFT U IN D SPIRIT AND NOW U R AGAIN IN D FLESH…conclusion no need of work for salvation”

       My response is that in Romans 8:1, it demands that Christians “walk in the Spirit and NOT in the Flesh“. This means that Christians MUST be spiritually “born-again” into God’s kingdom and to be able to “see” and report on what they have seen as Christ plainly stated in the scripture verse below:

       “Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he CANNOT SEE the kingdom of God” (John 3:3)

       So, what you are saying has nothing to do with circumcision here (as relating to “flesh”) but of living a life that “walks in the Spirit”. This is because a religious life composed of the Doctrines and traditions of men has no real spiritual relationship with Christ and therefore represents “walking in the flesh”.

       Thirdly, you say,

       “…u will receive your reward after d rapture which is 5 CROWNS OK”

       Maybe you might like to provide a Bible reference to the “5 CROWNS” José. If you are referring to the parables of the FIVE Talents (Matt 25:14-30) that required those to whom these were given to trade with and to double their value (meaning to turn FIVE into TEN) then this required “WORK” to be performed – yes, that dreaded four-letter word. Maybe you might like to clarify your point here José?

       Finally, you referred to Abraham who was “saved by faith and all d rest that r mentioned in that chapter…[and] didn’t had an initial nor final salvation”. Sorry, but the scriptures contradict what you say, José.

       In this, Abraham became “the Friend of God” (James 2:23) because He “BELIEVED GOD” – this represents Initial Salvation through FAITH ALONE!

       Next, God put Abraham to the test by requiring him to take a journey up a mountain and offer his only son as a human sacrifice on an altar:

       “…God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. 2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of…And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son. 11 And the angel of the Lord called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I. 12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.” (Gen 22 1-18)

       The point here was that if Abraham had NOT FEARED GOD (as it is with most Christians today) then He would not have made the 3-day journey to Mt. Moriah to kill his ONLY son for God – in faith. He would have stayed at home and enjoyed his family. Such FAITH combined with “WORKS OF FAITH” represented Abraham’s Final Salvation!

       In conclusion, there are a great deal of spiritual truths contained in the Bible that we all need to become aware of. The aim of this blog is to share what I have discovered with God’s people and for others to share what they have learned with me so that we can all grow together in faith, knowledge, wisdom and understanding in the things of God (Proverbs 9:10).

       Blessings José, Alan

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       1. with regards to d 5 crowns. I mention in my coment. actually it is 3 crowns.. there is a repetition of 2. sorry!! but I am not a pastor. I am just part of my congregation. ok!! n d crowns… u can find them in 1… 1 corintians9:25 ( the incorruptible, and every man that strives for d mastery is temperate in all things. now they do it to obtain a corruptible, but we… an incorruptible crown. 2.. 2 Timothy 4: 7 ,8..I fought d good fight, I have finished my course, and I have kept d faith. v9 here after there is laid up for me a CROWN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS…. and 3.. james1:12.. blessed is d man that endures temptation, for when he is tried he shall recieve the crown of live.. so.. to obtain all those crown WORK is required. u will not obtain it for free… of course as usual u will give it a different interpretation. at your convenience. sorry!! and u said that ABRAHAM WAS TEMPTED BY GOD.. when asked to offer his son as a scrifice!!! let me correct u.. GOD NEVER, EVER TEMPT ANYONE..y?? because we will sin so… Satan do always tempt us. no denial. GOD TESTED ABRAHAM OF HIS FAITH AND LOVE. FOR GOD. y?? because he knew that Abraham was not going to let him down or left him in shame. likewise JOB, HE SHOWED Satan THAT JOB WAS NOT GOING TO PUT HIM TO SHAME.
          Job 1:8 and d Lord said unto satan, HAVE CONSIDERED MY SERVANT JOB….?.even though Job’s wife tried to tempt her husband, influenced by satan of course.. pardon me but I think I answered..u

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       2. Praise God! Thank you Mr. Manson for your teachings. I stumbled upon this while attempting to read the Bible app on my phone after 2 a.m. here in Jamaica. This is the truth

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          1. Thank you so much for your kind comments Sarah. Like you, ALL praise and glory goes to God who has helped me put these teachings together.

             Let me know if you have any questions, Sarah.

             Blessings! Alan

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       3. Sorry to coment this way bro. But u will not convinced me of an initial & final salvation by works…first of all u said that those christians I referred to of thier works tried by fire & did burnt. They r Christians who actually did not work after convertion u will find that verse in 1cor 3:15 my Bible says it clearly HE SHALL SUFFER LOSS, BUT HE HIMSELF SHALL B SAVED I don’t c anything saying that he is not a christian.. if we will talk about fake christians John 10:26 but u believe not, because u r not of my sheep ( talking to d farisees.) & they were jelous of d Mosiac Law & believe that they r true beliEvers. & there is a verse that says in d Epistle & goes this way. They were among us but they r not of us. Because if they we’re to b of us they would have stayed with us.. ( The Apostate) & another verse is In Jude verse 4b who were b4 of old ordained to this CONDEMNATION. They claim to b & they r not christians. Sorry to b like a judge but that d true reality. & last but not least salvation is never lost if u r indeed a true christian. Bought or redeem by D precious BLOOD OF CHRIST poured out on d calvary cross.. which is pure and holy than the blood of d lamb sacrificed in d old testament, that only covered d sins of man .whIle d blood of Christ indeed washes away sins as of d words of John d Baptist. With regards to u saying that any fake christians d Holy Spirit will eventually come out of that christian. Well in 1 tess.5: 19 quench not D Spirit. I would agree that in d old testament d Holy Spirit do come out. In d case of SAMSON. & of a King that help out with d construction of d walls of Jerusalem. So…I have more but will leave it as it is for now…

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          1. Dear bro Jose’ – welcome back, and thanks so much for your questions!

             Firstly, you say:

             “…first of all u said that those christians I referred to of thier works tried by fire & did burnt. They r Christians who actually did not work after convertion..”

             No, I did not say that Jose. What I said was this:

             “My response is that Christians will NOT be (Finally) Saved, because they won’t be in Heaven to observe their “works” passing through the flames because Christ will have rejected them at the Rapture because of their failure to produce the required “fruit” unto God (John 15:5). If today’s Christians FAIL to undertake the required “works” that produce spiritual “fruit” which is produced from Jesus the Vine (John 15:1-2), then NO WORKS means NO SALVATION and therefore NO ENTRY into Heaven.”

             I feel I should clarify this point.

             1. Once Christians are “Initially Saved” (Rom 10:9-10; Mark 16:16) Christ requires them to “Strive to enter into God’s kingdom” (Luke 13:24).
             2. If Christians fail to “Strive” by preferring to embrace a religious view of the Christian life, this means they can never produce and “works” or the spiritual “fruit” required.
             3. If there is “NO works”, then there is no salvation (James 2:26).
             4. If there is “NO works” to pass through the flames, then such Christians will NOT be in heaven to see other Christian’s works being passed through the flames.

             To confirm this claim, Jesus said to those rejected Christians left behind AFTER the Rapture:

             “Not every one [calling themselves a Christian] that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many [religious Christians] will say to me in that day [following the Rapture], Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” (Matt 7:21-23)

             For those Christians who manage to get to heaven and have NO WORKS worthy of rewards but are saved by grace alone, I said this:

             “To provide a few examples of the “works” that equate to “wood, hay and stubble” in value; these could be:

             • – visiting the poor, the sick and the homeless (James 1:27)
             • – providing some form of care for them (Luke 10:33-37)
             • – taking care of widows in the church (1 Tim 5:8-10)

             In other words, the above listed “works” would be regarded by the “flames” as being worthless. This means that God expects His people on the Earth to do these things without thinking about them. They should be a part of every Christian’s DNA as being the “sons of God” (Rom 8:14). If Christians don’t do them, can Jesus or God refer to such Christians as “sons of God”? Probably not.”

             I then referred to your reference of 1 Cor 3:15 and made the following statement:

             “This verse refers to the Christian who has “STRIVED to enter into God’s kingdom” (Luke 13:24) but has failed for some reason to produce the necessary “gold, silver or precious stones” works. In this, he (or she) would have visited the widows and the orphans and fed the poor so that their “wood, hay and stubble” works were burned up by the flames – yet their heart and their determination were enough to get them to that point. This is where the compassion, mercy and love of God is seen towards those who have a heart to truly love God, His Son Jesus Christ and the many truths contained in His word.”

             I don’t know how else to explain this further, Jose’

             We have to remember that there are THREE types of Christians that can be found in the churches:

             1. The religious Christian.
             This person embraces the “doctrines and commandments of men” (Col 2:22) rather than “take up their cross and follow Jesus” – spiritually speaking (Matt 16:24) and suffer persecution, hatred and rejection for doing so (John 15:20; Matt 24:9; Matt 5:44).

             2. The “Tares” who are Satan’s children. The Bible terms these as:

             • – Spiritual “weeds” in God’s garden growing alongside the “wheat” (Matt 13:24-30)
             • – Ministers of Righteousness in the Pulpits (2 Cor 11:15)
             • – Workers of Iniquity (Luke 13:27)
             • – Dogs (Phil 3:2)

             3. Truly “born-again” Disciples of Jesus Christ
             These act like to wind that blows in the trees where others cannot tell where they have come from or where they are going, because one is born of the Spirit and the other is not (John 3:8).

             If you watched the video on my Home page titled “Communists in the Churches” (https://youtu.be/XegqiDFLZNI) you would have appreciated that communism has taken over a century to finally “leaven the church” so that it is 100% effective for Satan and 100% ineffective for Christ. If you don’t believe me, then watch the video – 13 minutes.

             The Pharisees and the Apostates

             You then spoke about the Pharisees and the apostates that I would place in groups 1 and 2 as mentioned above. I think you would agree with me there, Jose’?

             Salvation

             You then say, “last but not least salvation is never lost if u r indeed a true christian”. But Jose’ – how does one tell who is a “true Christian”??

             My answer is “ONLY those who have the love of the truth as contained in the scriptures, that they MIGHT BE SAVED” (2 Thes 2:10). If Biblical truth is NEVER compromised, it will separate the True Christian from the Tares and the Leaven in the churches – Satan’s people.

             ‘Religion’ is simply a lie from the Devil. Many Christians today prefer ‘religion’ because they don’t want to suffer the same hatred, persecution and rejection that Christ suffered for obeying God’s words.

             Any Christian who DOES exactly what God’s word tells them to do – means that he or she will suffer persecution from Satan’s people (in the churches) because their “light” will be shining in the spiritual darkness of that church:

             “And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.” (John 1:5)

             I hope that this answers your questions Jose’

             Many blessings! Alan

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       4. Brother Allan. If I would have d time to read all your replies, I am sure that on many occasions u contradict yourself.. in one u agreed that the thief was merely saved by Faith & Grace. But I will not debate with now. I will only ask u a question… if I ask u. ¿ r u in d truth?? Your answer will b , of course YES I AM!! & if I ask myself d same question? My answer will b YES TOO… so ¿ who has the real TRUTH??? I believe n humbly would say NONE OF US, ¿ DONT U THINK SO???????????

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          1. Hello Jose’

             In response to your comment, the words of Jesus say this:

             “They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.” (John 17:16-17)

             This means that truly “born-again” Christians who are “not of this world” love Christ, His words and the many truths they contain. That is what this blog is all about.

             You make the claim that:

             “…on many occasions u contradict yourself.. in one u agreed that the thief was merely saved by Faith & Grace”

             but in your next statement you refused to “debate with me now”. You should NOT cast false allegations unless you are prepared to debate, Jose’.

             I am happy to debate anyone about ABSOLUTE TRUTH any time. The problem is that today, everyone (especially the Christian community) want to believe in RELATIVE TRUTH. In other words, if ten Catholics were to debate me over their false beliefs using the Bible as reference — by numbers (10:1), they would win the day. But that is NOT what Christianity is about. Christianity is about ABSOLUTE TRUTH:

             “The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth; 2 For the truth’s sake, which dwelleth in us, and shall be with us for ever.” (2 John 1:1-2)

             Christianity is also about the Garden of Eden where the serpent beguiled both Adam and Eve with a lie that they preferred to believe, rather than God’s words.

             God allows the SAME serpent to tempt and test everyone of His people since Adam and Eve were both cast out of the Garden. God gives everyone their free will choice to determine their own destiny in eternity – in Heaven with Christ because we loved and fought for ABSOLUTE TRUTH, or Hell, because they compromised God’s words for their own lusts and pleasures by believing one of the many false gospels about today.

             “For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received, or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.” (2 Cor 11:4)

             Choose you whom you will believe and serve this day Jose’, but as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord who speaks TRUTH – mighty in strength and power! (Joshua 24:15)

             Blessings, Alan

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       5. Hi. Bro allan. I am back!! I read 1 on reply coments saying n asurring d person that d doctrine of SAVED , ALWAYS SAVED is a TOTAL LIE, we’ll let me ask u where did u get this doctrine of initial n final salvation, Of course u will tell me from d Bible. My question would b which one of us really understand d Bible?? Of course u will say I because u r a pastor n I am not. Well let me tell u that we got ours from d Bible too. 1 Ephe. 2: 8 says for by Grace r thou saved tru FAITH..not of yourself, bUT a gift of God. . 1 in Roms. Says when we r yet sinners Christ die for us. , for all have sinned n fell short of d glory of God, ihb, 9 :22b says and without shedding of d blood is no remission. So.. To me God did all d works needed for salvation, even from Genesis after d fall of man. But my point is or my asurarance is in Heb 10: 14 for by 1 offering he perfected them (note d word used FOR EVER,) Didn’t say for time being, or as long as u don’t sin. NO!! , in John 10: 28 & 29. RepeatS itself saying and I gave them eternal life n will they shall not perish. ….NEITHER SHALL ANY MAN PLUCK THEM OUT OF MY HANDS. V29 MY FATHER GAVE THEM TO ME…. N NO MAN WILL B ABLE TO PLUCK THEM OUT OF MY FATHER’S HANDS, so there can b more but I will leave u witH that so. WHO IS IN D TRUTH U OR I??? WHO is genuinely converted? N who r d fake ones??? I don’t know.. but my quotation r from d Bible.. there is video on YouTube from world video Bible school (WVBS) it does not support Saved always saved but d teachings is what we based on ,so I will not b as a judge out here, for we have only one. N that’s D perfect n just Judge. D everlasting one.. thanks but this is to show u that I like your teachings BUT WILL NEVER AGREE WITH U n it a pity that in d christian world we always contradict ourselves, n d idea was to go against d Catolicsteachings, but if I don’t agree with your viewpoint, I will tell u, u agree or disagree with me, it doesn’t I still LOVE U.ok so don’t feel no way of our differences. Thanks..c u in Heaven, for that is my SET GOAL..

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    2. I agree.The Bible did not tell us that their is initial and final stage of salvation.

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36. Sir how about the one criminal that crucify with christ..thus he do good works in his life..he is save by accepting he is a misirable sinner and believe that only christ will save him..where is he now? Hes in paradise with God..after we got our salvation we only do our good christian living to please God and to have our rewards in heaven..how do we much please God? By
    a one soul that repent and save..God and angels are celebrating in Heaven when even one sinner is save..that criminal is in heaven(paradise) but he doesnt have rewards…if only works will save us Jesus Christ only die in vain..my salvation is eternal..Hebrew 9:12..by only his blood alone cleanse all my sins from my birth to my last breath.i.was only save by his grace..Effesian 2:8-9 ..please sir check your faith

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    1. Thank you Edwin for your comments.

       Firstly, scripture records that the Penitent Thief first recognized Christ as his “Lord” (Luke 23:42-43) while nailed to his cross. This meant that he could NOT get down to become baptized and therefore “Saved” (Mark 16:16); nor could he do any “good works” (James 2:26) that produce the required “fruit” (John 15:1-2) that God the Father requires to be brought into His kingdom through Christians who have been spiritually “grafted into Jesus – the Vine” (John 15:5). Effectively, the Penitent Thief was “Saved by Faith and Grace – alone (Eph 2:8).

       In today’s world – if an unsaved sinner is lying on a hospital trolley and a Christian shares the gospel with that person and they accept Christ as their Savior and he or she then dies on the operating table, such a Christian is then “Saved by Fire” (1 Cor 3:14-15) in much the same way as the Penitent Thief was Saved – through Faith ALONE. I like to think we are both in agreement in this Edwin.

       However, our Creator requires His children on Earth to glorify Jesus Christ in much the same way as His Son Jesus Christ glorified God the Father while He was on the Earth in human form:

       “Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him.” (John 13:31)

       “And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.” (John 14:13)

       In the above verses a similar analogy (below) could apply for every Christian:

       “”And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that I (Jesus) may be glorified in you (each Christian) by your faith and the “fruit you bring to God the Father” that is produced from your works of faith.” (John 14:13)

       In other words, Jesus set the pattern of how He brought God “glory” through the works that He did. Similarly, each Christian is to bring Christ the same “glory” by the works (John 14:12) that He requires every Christian to perform for His glory (Matt 5:16).

       Edwin, you then say “..after we got our salvation we only do our good christian living to please God and to have our rewards in heaven..how do we much please God? By a one soul that repent and save.”

       The problem here is HOW does anyone define “good Christian living” that God would approve of and accept? You would need to quote at least one (if not more) Bible references here to confirm what you say is truth.

       It is my understanding that both God and Jesus have clearly stated they require every Christian to “walk in the Spirit and NOT in the flesh” (Rom 8:1) and to then join with other spiritually-walking Christians to become functioning members of the Body of Christ within their local church community. Each bodily member (meaning each one has the necessary spiritual gifts of an EYE, a NOSE, an EAR, a HAND a FOOT, etc. – 1 Cor 12:13-27) to defeat the enemies of God (Satan and his demons) and to bring forth the “harvest of lost souls” into God’s kingdom as a group working together in Biblical unity (Psalm 133:1-3).

       Naturally, it is Satan’s plan to prevent this from happening – because if it did, such a congregation would turn the world “upside down” (Acts 17:6). That is why Satan’s “Ministers of Righteousness” preach false gospels and false beliefs to God’s people in the pulpits each Sunday (2 Cor 11:15) – that represent “doctrines of devils” (1 Tim 4:1) that are aimed to rob God of His glory through His people and to rob God’s people of their Salvation. If God’s people fail to read and study their bibles to not only become approved by God (2 Tim 2:15) but to also prove if the things being preached are in accordance with the scriptures (Acts 17:11), then such people will be deceived and will lose their Salvation just as Jesus warned every Christian to be careful of:

       “And he said, TAKE HEED THAT YE BE NOT DECEIVED: for many [false Christians – John 10:13] shall come in my name, saying, I am [of] Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them” (Luke 21:8)

       This is because as Satan (in the form of the serpent) deceived Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden because they both succumbed to his doubts and lies. Afterwards they lost eternal life with their Creator at their Judgment (Gen 3:8-19). Similarly, if Christians fail to take “heed” to Christ’s warning about being deceived in much the same way, such Christians will similarly lose their Salvation and will have eternity to lament for failing to “take heed” to Christ’s warnings.

       Finally, you are second Christian on this blog who quotes “Effesian 2:8-9” but fails to quote the following verse that says this:

       “For we are his workmanship, CREATED in Christ Jesus unto GOOD WORKS, which God hath before ordained that we should WALK IN THEM.”

       Where you say, “please sir check your faith” – this is what I have done Edwin. If you disagree with any of my comments, I sincerely invite you to show me where I may have erred from the truth (Job 6:24).

       Blessings Edwin, Alan

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37. I am really blessed by your teaching. Bible based teaching is what I have always wished to have and experience. The struggle though is not a walk in the park. But with Gods grace let’s soldier on.

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    1. Thank you so much for your kind comments Peter. Feel free to ask me any questions you might have as a post for public comment or through a private email.

       Blessings!

       Alan

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38. Ephesians 2:8-9 it’s said For by Grace ye are saved through faith and not of yourselves it is the Gift of God ,Not of Works list any man should boast

    Romans 11:6 said If it By Grace it is no more Works, if it By Works no more Grace
    It’ means you cannot combine grace and Works,
    Ephesians 2:8 and Romans 11:6
    Said Grace through faith, if it By Grace no more Works,

    Salvation is Not initial it is full,
    As Romans 1:16 said Gospel of Christ has a power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth,

    Because if you will Add Works in Your salvation either you are believing in vain said of 1 Corinthians 15:2 or the Lord Jesus Christ died in vain said Galatians 2:21

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    1. Thank you for posting your comment Rodel. The comments that follow are not meant to be taken as being critical of what you believe, but are meant to demonstrate what the Word of God says in relation to your statements.

       Firstly, your reference to “Ephesians 2:8-9” conveniently omits the following verse (v10) that immediately follows, which says this:

       “For we are his workmanship, CREATED UNTO CHRIST JESUS unto GOOD WORKS which GOD HATH BEFORE ORDAINED that we should walk in them“.

       My teaching on Initial and Final Salvation accommodates both your reference to Ephesians 2:8-9 (Initial Salvation) together with my reference to Ephesians 2:10 (Final Salvation) involving “works”. If any Christian prefers to cherry-pick what the Bible says by omitting certain statements that disagree with their view of what the Bible says, then such Christians are not being honest in their beliefs. That’s how it is Rodel – and no offense intended.

       Secondly, your reference to “Romans 11:6” again falls into the same category. This verse applies to Initial Salvation that requires “faith alone” in which to be accepted into God’s kingdom. Symbolically it represents the “baby Christian” level of faith. God wants only “children weaned from the breast” (Isaiah 28:9) – NOT unlearned babies who can be deceived by Satan very easily (2 Cor 2:11) in His kingdom.

       To give you an example of this, God sent His Son Jesus Christ into the world to:

       • Do His works (John 5:36)
       • That God the Father may be glorified in the Son through those works (John 14:13)
       • That Christians are similarly required to glorify their Savior Jesus Christ through “works” (Rom 6:4; Rom 15:17; 2 Cor 8:23; John 15:8)
       • Christians can ONLY bring both Christ and God “glory” from the required “spiritual fruit” produced by those “works” (Titus 3:8; John 14:12)
       • If Christians fail to produce the necessary “works” and the accompanying “fruit”, then God considers their faith to be “dead faith” (James 2:26) that equates to that of the One Talent Christian (Matt 25:24-30)

       Thirdly, you say that:

       “As Romans 1:16 said Gospel of Christ has a power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth”

       Simply “believing” is not enough to be deserving of Eternal Life with Christ, Rodel. The Apostle Paul says this about simply “believing” without having any of the required “works” that accompany belief:

       “Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith [alone], and [me] I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?” (James 2:18-20)

       The point here is that one’s belief have to align with scripture to achieve Final Salvation (meaning, “good works” that accompany “faith”). If there are no “good works” that involve:

       • Doing the WILL of the Father (Matt 12:50) – then there is NO Salvation;
       • Acquiring and exercising the spiritual gifts that the Holy Spirit distributes among God’s children – then there is NO Salvation;(1 Cor 12:1-11)
       • Producing “spiritual fruit” unto God the Father – then there is NO Salvation;(John 15:1-8)
       • Doing GREATER WORKS than Christ did – then there is NO Salvation (John 14:12)

       In this, “works” produced through the Gifts of the Spirit demonstrate that such Christians are the “Sons of God” – just as Jesus demonstrated that He was (and is) the only begotten Son of God (John 1:14).

       “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:” (John 1:12)

       “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.” (Romans 8:14)

       Finally you say,

       “Because if you will Add Works in Your salvation either you are believing in vain said of 1 Corinthians 15:2 or the Lord Jesus Christ died in vain said Galatians 2:21”.

       If you prefer to believe that “faith WITHOUT WORKS is NOT dead faith” (which contradicts James 2:26) – then that is your choice, Rodel. Both God and Christ give everyone their free-will choice to believe what ALL of the scriptures say – IN FAITH ALONE (Initial Salvation), and to then GROW IN FAITH (2 Thes 1:3 – Final Salvation) by undertaking the necessary works that accompany faith – meaning, Final Salvation. If Christians prefer to believe Satan’s lies that contradict what the scriptures plainly state, then God respects their choice to do so – just as He respected Adam and Eve’s choice to disobey Him and believe the lie of the Devil.

       Thanks so much for your comments Rodel and I hope these Bible references help the discussion and others reading them.

       Blessings,

       Alan

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39. Very correct and exact teaching. The Church of Christ needs this!!

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    1. Thank you Anne for your beautiful comment. Such words are encouraging to me when comparing what is being preached in the churches today.

       Feel free to post or send me any questions you might have.

       Blessings! Alan

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40. Thank you Alan Manson..
    God bless you more..
    In this page you can help christian to grow in their faith,and with this more of them are really interested to learn more and more about the Lord Jesus Christ.

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    1. God bless you for your very kind comments Lorna. Feel free to post any questions you might have.

       Blessings,

       Alan

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41. Thank you for a very simple yet comprehensive and clear explanation about how to be saved. It is my desire to know God more and to live in His presence everyday of my life but many things always meddle in between until i lose quiet time with Him. I gained a lot with this.

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    1. To Susan – thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts about this article with me. You are only one of a handful of Christians from the more than 1,000 who have visited this page who have responded positively to my research.

       This type of teaching is not popular with many Christians today (2 Tim 4:3) because it’s purely biblical (1 Cor 3:2) and does NOT reproduce man-made doctrines (2 Thess 2:14-17). It is because of this that only FEW Christians will be “Saved” (Luke 13:23-28). Welcome into the Kingdom, sister!

       Feel free to ask me any questions you might have.

       Blessings,

       Alan

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42. Hi Alan,

    This is John Matthews, I am blessed with your teachings as I use to visit your blog frequently.

    I had a question for you, Can you give me some ways or practical steps on how enemies(the devil) work to create hurdles or barriers in the process of initial salvation and final salvation?

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    1. Hi John,

       Thank you so much for your comments as they are very much appreciated.

       Firstly, one of the biggest hurdles or barriers that the Devil uses regarding Final Salvation is unbelief followed by denial that such requirements matter.

       Secondly, I have received some feedback from two people in large ministries in the USA to my video, and this is what they said:

       “It seems the producer of the video thinks we need to work for our salvation, which is a slap in the face to the Lord by inferring His death on the Cross was not enough.”

       “Works in a Christians life are not required for eternal life, the words are the evidence of a new life in Christ. Christians are not on the broad road, only unbelievers.”

       Finally, the biggest hurdle preventing Christians from “running their salvation race” is associating with pastors (like those above) who will do everything they can to maintain their Once Saved, Always Saved (false) doctrinal position rather than admit that the Initial/Final Salvation Gospel message is Biblical.

       I am hoping that more Bible-based Christians will view my video and ask questions like you have so that the truth of God’s word relating to Salvation can be spread far and wide to help neutralize the false gospel message that pastors like these prefer to promote.

       God bless John,

       Alan

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       1. Is this Jehovahs witnesses….very good

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